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To want life in prison to mean life in prison

203 replies

drnoitall · 18/02/2014 09:33

For horrendously serious crimes.
Watching the news this morning and from What I understand a decision will be made today about whether or not England and Wales will uphold the decision for life in prison to mean whole of life in prison for people who commit the most abhorant crimes or to bow down to Europe who call it unlawful.
I'm astonished that a human rights lawyer used the word "degrading" in reference to prisoners reaching old age in prison during a whole life sentence.

AIBU to absolutely want life to mean life for people who commit vile crimes against people.

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VegetariansTasteLikeChicken · 18/02/2014 13:38

YANBU, and I realise what people are saying about the case "just being reviewed" but that does leave it open to people getting out. And yes, right now we have rapists and pedophiles on the street who were let out early for good behavior..or because they "no longer pose a threat" and I am sorry, but I really haven't got the faith in the justice system to believe that life means life for those who really deserve it

gordyslovesheep · 18/02/2014 13:46

You have no faith in the justice system yet you want it to have the power to lock people up for life without review ?

DarlingGrace · 18/02/2014 13:50

Shawshank Redemption, anyone?

SauvignonBlanche · 18/02/2014 14:07

Thanks Showy, I should have asked you to take over whilst I made lunch. Smile

Good point gordy.

thinking101 · 18/02/2014 14:13

I they forego their responsibility to be law abiding then they forego their rights with it. The two go hand in hand.

rumbleinthrjungle · 18/02/2014 14:14

Re: children and the idea of evil: 'Cries Unheard' by Gitta Sereny makes thought provoking reading, as do many of her interview based books.

Human rights are to be warm, fed, safe, clothed, sheltered. I am completely for any adult mentally ill enough or disturbed enough to commit this particular extreme category of crime to be safe and to be well looked after, but that extreme crime to me means they've permanently forfeited the right to freedom or to be a part of society. It's no longer all about them, and they have had justice, they have had their day in court and the objective consideration of all the facts when the sentence was passed.

What concerns me about the reviews is that they sound very reasonable, but they won't be just a formality or a paperwork exercise. They will be hugely expensive, like all appeals and hearings are, they will be very distressing for the families of the victims and will generate a lot of publicity which can be an immense source of satisfaction to people like Ian Brady, and they will be legal proceedings based on whether there is sufficient objective evidence to prevent moving towards a release, and it means that some who shouldn't be released will legally have to be even when many people involved will know they shouldn't be, because it can't be proven beyond reasonable doubt that the risk is high enough.

When the death penalty was abolished it was on the grounds that life would mean life, and that was the very thin end of the wedge. I think this will be the thin end of another wedge.

Although interesting that David McGready who should have been released after serving 20 years for the murder of 3 small children is still in prison years later because his safety can't be effectively managed anywhere else.

DreamingofSummer · 18/02/2014 14:17

BettySwallocks

And your evidence for that statement is?

Beeyump · 18/02/2014 14:18

The Gitta Sereny book looks very interesting (scanning the goodreads reviews).

SauvignonBlanche · 18/02/2014 14:21

Evidence - why let an ignorant opinion be clouded by evidence? Hmm
They might have watched a 'documentary' about it, that will make them experts, won't it?

diamondlizard · 18/02/2014 14:22

i want life to mean life [whole life in prision]

plud tougher sentances for peadophiles

Beeyump · 18/02/2014 14:24

Yup! Some people are just born evil! A documentary said it was so!

SauvignonBlanche · 18/02/2014 14:25

You can tell it in their eyes!

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 18/02/2014 14:26

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/carole-malone-jon-venables-amy-2033326

Not sure on how to link so don't know if that will work. Yes, yes, it's the Mirror but it's common knowledge what this person has been up to. Google it, there are loads of articles to read.

ReadyToPopAndFresh · 18/02/2014 14:27

You have no faith in the justice system yet you want it to have the power to lock people up for life without review ?

I would a million times rather a person is put away because of a jury then released because a panel says it;s OK. yes.

If new evidence comes to light then that's when lawyers get involved and people get re-tried.

Showy · 18/02/2014 14:29

Sauvignon, are these eyes too close together perchance?

Chummiestwin · 18/02/2014 14:30

Blimey some of these comments are silly, yes from a psychological point of view some people are born evil, it's in their genetic make up, environmental factors may well provide a catalyst for it, geese!

Beeyump · 18/02/2014 14:30

WHAT IS EVIL? HOW CAN SOMEONE BE 'BORN IT'?

Chummiestwin · 18/02/2014 14:31

Grow up some of you, sound like you are at school.

Beeyump · 18/02/2014 14:31

And what have geese to do with anything...

SauvignonBlanche · 18/02/2014 14:32

there seems something dead in the individual's eyes?0, something that most humans you don't see, they almost look subhuman

Yep, eyes too close together Showy Hmm

Chummiestwin · 18/02/2014 14:32

My point exactly

SauvignonBlanche · 18/02/2014 14:33

It's half term round here, maybe that's where the infantile opinions are originating from? Hmm

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 18/02/2014 14:34

Beeyump - would you want to live next door to Jon Venables thebn?? Maybe you could make him a nice cup of tea, ask him to be a nice boy and give him a good talking to.

Fucking hell, some people are born evil and do not deserve to walk the streets.

Chummiestwin · 18/02/2014 14:34

Yes Sauvignon mabey

MyNameIsKenAdams · 18/02/2014 14:38

Tbh I think there are certain crimes from which one cannot be rehabilitated.

A paedophile. No length of time in prison will "cure" them. They will always present a danger to children insociety, and those who have proved that they will act upon their urges should be permanently removed from society.