To think Alex Salmond is in his own private dream world?

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Ok so Alex Salmond wants an independent Scotland, and sets out his ideas.

Then all three Westminster parties tell him - "no you can't share the pound and be independent as well, it would be too unstable. Did you see what happened in Europe when they tried to share a currency between different countries with different economic policies? And those countries were trying to become more united, and in this case the two countries would be trying to split apart!"

Then a guy from the European Union remarks that it won't be plain sailing for an Independent Scotland to join the EU, as all the other members will have to agree - and many won't as they don't want to encourage their own splinter states to start asking for independence as well.

So two fairly serious problems. And what is Alex Salmon's reaction? Basically to go "Ner ner ner, you're all being mean and nasty and you don't really mean it. I think that if we all vote yes for an independent Scotland, then you will change your mind and let us share the pound, and let us join the EU. You're bluffing, and so I'm not coming up with a plan for what would happen if Scotland voted yes and we realised that, oops no...you weren't bluffing".

How can anyone think this man does not sound a bit bonkers? I'm English, but if I was Scottish I would be very worried about voting for someone who thinks nothing of destabilising a whole economy just to make a Political point.

No, I was referring to the language here: ''This is how we can really get them on the run - mockery. Every insult like this we can turn around and use to our advantage and turn their own weapons back on them is superb". It was in the article you posted.

Neither Conservative nor Labour have promised to scrap Barnett.

Anyone willing to defend Eck's "Uncle Tam" remark?

But it's a joke based on the Daily Mail Cybernat expose stuff, there really is no such thing as a Cybernat it's ridiculous.
Anyone that posts online in favour of Independence is deemed to be a Cybernat it's just nonsensical.

Its all true...

Of course it all could happen. iScotland could also be rejected EU entry, face horrendous interest rates on loans if it decides to use the pound outside of an official currency union and so on. Why are these 'coulds' dismissed as scaremongering and bullying?

Have you a link to where he said the "uncle Tam" comment?
I have no idea what that is actually meant to mean.

But it's a joke based on the Daily Mail Cybernat expose stuff, there really is no such thing as a Cybernat it's ridiculous.

Jokes can be distasteful.

"This is how we can really get them on the run - mockery. Every insult like this we can turn around and use to our advantage and turn their own weapons back on them is superb."

He wants to mock the Daily Fail, fine, everyone does it. Cybernat is an insult, no problem there.

But 'weapons' and 'Get them on the run'? That's not funny.

It's copying the terminology from the Daily Mail, both are distasteful but one is mocking the outrageousness of the other.

Mockery or stooping to the DM's level? Ugh, I dislike things like that (and the divorce metaphor commonly dragged up) so much. It really sours the entire debate.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2014/02/who-are-the-real-bullies-in-the

It's referred to here. I assume it's a play on "Uncle Tom"

I think I do recall it being said.

Fanny no it's not mocking The Daily Mail. That site and other pro- independence sites which have been linked to on this forum are every bit as nasty as what the DM comes up with.

Heres an interesting article on Scottish politics and the origin of the word "cybernats"

www.totalpolitics.com/articles/298782/the-politics-of-scottish-factionalism.thtml

Thanks for that link LessMiss It was very enjoyable reading, and I can see why it appealed to you.

There are people in each camp doing themselves no favours.

I don't conduct myself in an offensive manner along with the vast majority of folks.

It's simple for most scots, SNP or conservative government, that's the choice.

I am convinced a lot of English people would like this opportunity.

But Fanny within the campaign the indies have resorted to personal abuse of people holding an opposing view in a way the No campaign has not.

Asking questions about the practicalities has been rubbished as being negative.

And Twilight that is the sort of simplistic view which makes me despair. I take it you don't know who Harold Wilson or Tony Blair are?

For what it's worth I've never voted Conservative but I'd take a Conservative government over the SNP any day.

But that's simply not true Caitlin, go on twitter put in Salmonds name for example or indeed Salmon as most of the knuckle draggers can't spell.

There are idiots on both sides, they are equally as bad as each other, the "cybernats" get put in the paper though that's all.

FannyFifer There are people in each camp doing themselves no favours. I don't conduct myself in an offensive manner along with the vast majority of folks

So, excuse me for getting this wrong. You appear to be on this debate almost entirely to throw abuse at me.

What are your opinions on the issue of accession to the EU of an independent Scotland, or indeed the point of this post, Salmond's stance on insisting on a currency union?

Fanny I have no interest in what anyone says on twitter or social media. I said what I said based on what I have read in mainstream media, mainly the BBC. I take it you're erasing Joan McAlpine?

Salmond and Sturgeon's standard response is usually a sneer too.

*But Fanny within the campaign the indies have resorted to personal abuse of people holding an opposing view in a way the No campaign has not.

Asking questions about the practicalities has been rubbished as being negative*

I guess it all depends what side you are looking from. I would completely agree with your statement if you reversed the Yes and No sides.

As Fanny said their are idiots in both camps, however, I believe that as whole the Yes campaign has been far more positive. I would be far more impressed with the No campaign if they focused on positive concrete reasons to stay in the union, rather than constantly releasing scaremongering press releases of arguable accuracy.

Sorry I should say read or seen on mainstream media. I don't look use twitter or Facebook.

Fanny I have no interest in what anyone says on twitter or social media. I said what I said based on what I have read in mainstream media, mainly the BBC

The problem is the MSM, just like any other source is biased, and with a few exceptions generally biased in favour of the No campaign.

I'd be less unimpressed if the pro campaign came up with facts as opposed to a dream list.

Oh and lying about whether or not they had legal advice on EU membership did not inspire much confidence.

Ah Caitlin17 have you come across the latest media seeding? Despite all the "10 Best Scots Architects/Musicians/Politicians/Actors/etc" series it has been running ad hoc, we are to swear off the BBC by those who purport to know better as apparently it has been deemed in favour of the "No" vote (I must admit I watch tv so infrequently, I had thought it was in favour of the Yes vote!):>

www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/8748-the-bbc-will-destroy-itself-in-pursuit-of-a-no-vote