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To think that school children should have easy access to drinking water?

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Schnullerbacke · 05/02/2014 10:36

I'm sure this has been done before so apologies.

My DD (7) has just had a new teacher who changed the routines around a bit. They are now only allowed to drink water at lunch and are not allowed to quickly grab their bottles whilst going down / coming back up from break time or assembly. This is apparently done so they won't have to go to the toilet too often (which is just outside their door).

I think its a bit out of order but before I have a word I wanted to check whether IABU. I know its important to stay hydrated and I don't think this is achieved by drinking before school start and only then drinking again some 3 hours later.

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BrianTheMole · 08/02/2014 09:12

Every situation is different tamer. You may have read the posts here, or somewhere else. Others may have said that to you as a put down. Other times, people don't actually read the posts and its not a put down, just an observation. In this situation I think excuse is just making an observation.

curlew · 08/02/2014 09:13

"It doesn't seem so excuse. seeing as she /he hasn't acknowledged teamwills posts at all. It seems that all she / he is interested in is being right. And being silly and sarcastic when anyone disagrees with him / her."

Nothing silly or sarcastic about my 8.54 post. Just a bit difficult to answer, I suspect!

BrianTheMole · 08/02/2014 09:18

Well I try to answer you Curlew. But you don't listen. Or ignore what you simply don't want to respond to. Which makes discussion with you a little tedious.
Anyway I'm off now for a morning of fun with my kids. I shall take some water with me too.

ArgyMargy · 08/02/2014 09:28

Brian and Excuse you are both out of order. Curlew has put strong, consistent, evidence based arguments and you are attacking her/him based on your personal situation. Bit pathetic really.

curlew · 08/02/2014 09:31

At a risk of sounding obsessed, Brian, I've just had a look through the thread , and no you haven't. You said downthread that there is plenty of research to support your belief that drinking more aids concentration, but haven't produced any. You say that you feel better for drinking more, and that your dd does as well- well maybe you both fit into the category of people who have a medical need. Who knows? You have dismissed/ignored the debunking of the research, the dodgy funding of the studies and the unsuitability of the word "dehydrated" to describe well nourished developed world children with an airy "well, I think differently".

BumPotato · 08/02/2014 09:37

DD2 often comes home with a full water bottle. I asked her about it. She says she uses the water fountain in class.

I remember always feeling parched in the afternoons at primary school. I don't even think we were offered a drink with school lunches. I certainly can't remember any water jugs.

I used to draw water with a blue crayon and stare at the to try and get rid of my thirst. There was no option to leave the class to drink from the taps in the loos as the teacher didn't allow toilet breaks.

IfNotNowThenWhen · 08/02/2014 09:41

I went in a school trip with a bunch of year 2's. They were told to bring a lunch. The lunch went under the bus (most with the drinks in them).
We got on the bus at 9, lunch was at 12, and most of the kids were complaining they were thirsty by half ten (they would have had breakfast around 8).
After lunch, the lunch boxes went back under the bus. We got back at 5, and the children had had no opportunity to drink anything, except for at lunch time. They were very thirsty.
The teachers all had a bottle of water with them, but the parents should have been told to give a separate drink for the children to have with them on the bus.
At ds's school they can help themselves in the classroom, but when they were little they never did. Anytime I have worked with young children I have always had a water break, where I tell everybody to get a drink. It's amazing the effect of rehydration on concentration and spirits, but teachers never do this ime.
The emphasis is very much on expecting children to make independent decisions, which at 4/5 is a bit Hmm

DilysMoon · 08/02/2014 09:53

Sounds like a very old fashioned approach. Ours have water bottles available all day and a water fountain with free access to it. I'd be having a word.

LaQueenOfHearts · 08/02/2014 09:54

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ExcuseTypos · 08/02/2014 09:56

Argy am tempted to ask if you've actually read my posts but won't as I'll be accused of something or other.

'my personal situation' is in fact as a person whose dds are both at university. I'm really not concerned about their water intake. I do work in a YR class where the teacher allows thirsty children to get a quick drink, as long as they aren't supposed to be listening to her.

I'm not "out of order" to post that I don't agree with someone. I just find it incrediibly tedious when posters exaggerate and poke fun at others who do post about their situation. Stating that mums up and down the land are worrying that their children's brain will frazzle if they don't slurp on water constantly, makes it very difficult to take anything else they say seriously.

LaQueenOfHearts · 08/02/2014 09:58

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ExcuseTypos · 08/02/2014 10:01

Curlew- "You say that you feel better for drinking more, and that your dd does as well- well maybe you both fit into the category of people who have a medical need."

Gosh that post is very telling about your understanding of the whole subject. You think if you feel better for drinking more water, that you must have a medical issue? Confused

ExcuseTypos · 08/02/2014 10:02

I'm a TA and I've never experienced any if those issues LaQ.

ExcuseTypos · 08/02/2014 10:05

Anyway, am off to walk the dog now. There's plenty of water out there, if she fancies ad drink along the way.

curlew · 08/02/2014 10:20

"Stating that mums up and down the land are worrying that their children's brain will frazzle if they don't slurp on water constantly, makes it very difficult to take anything else they say"

oK. If I take back every slightly smart arsed thing I said, will you please address the points I made at 8.54? Because nobody has.

And I put in the sentence about medical need because otherwise the thread will be derailed by people whose children genuinely do, when we are talking about the needs of healthy, well nourished children in the developed world.

LaQueenOfHearts · 08/02/2014 10:21

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unlucky83 · 08/02/2014 10:42

Skim read thread ...look at "bad science" web site...also Curlew's link upthread...
We really have been conned by the bottled water industry...
believing that bottled water is 'healthier' than tap water - when the opposite is true. Bottled water has higher levels of bacteria (contaminated during bottling), no rules on levels of minerals etc (some sparkling water is high sodium ...as in sodium chloride ...salt Hmm) Hate it - and that is not mentioning the amount of plastic waste generated Angry

And that we haven't evolved to know when we need to drink - the when you are thirsty you are already dehydrated nonsense - what? (Can imagine being told to eat before you are hungry because when you feel hungry it is already too late?)
And as to jobs where you can't drink, they exist ....I used to work in a research lab - no eating or drinking at the bench/culture rooms - even in our offices. Not sure if there is a rule but guess you wouldn't be impressed if the cashier at the supermarket kept stopping to sip water...or a long distance coach drivers were driving with a bottle in one hand? ... Generations survived and thrived not surgically attached to a water bottle...
Personally I wish they would get rid of them at my DD's school. It comes home almost full, the water gets wasted down the sink. They leak in their bags...and I can quite imagine how annoying and distracting they are in the classroom... bring back water fountains for a quick drink after running around at break time...

BoneyBackJefferson · 08/02/2014 10:45

the school where I work has a very simple solution to this, if you want to drink water during the lesson you bring it with you.

The reason is simple, before this was implemented we had long queues of pupils leaving the lesson to the drinking fountain.

The longest they may have to go without water is 60 minutes.

Feminine · 08/02/2014 11:02

Many of us are filling up our children's bottles with tap water.

just thought I'd mention that as I am no fan of bottled water either.

There has been a massive amount of showing off and bitchy behaviour on this thread.

Shame.

Hulababy · 08/02/2014 11:14

We - I'm in y2 - don't allow water bottles during class input or carpet time. Can access their water bottles during other times and obv at break and lunch. Not allowed to be left on desk either to avoid spills and ruining each other's work. They are all in a tray - they go to tray, drink and return to their chair.

In an afternoon I spent all my time in an ict suite teaching diff infant classes. We don't allow any water bottles in the ict suite at all - water and electrics don't mix. They manage fine for an hour and a half without any.

TeamWill · 08/02/2014 11:38

Not sure why the point about children not dehydrating overnight was being used to poke fun at ET because children don't dehydrate overnight because our bodies hormones regulate urine production.

If you are very dehydrated this hormone (ADH) has the same effect during the day but its not a good idea to have such concentrated urine on a daily basis.
It can cause Utis ,kidney problems ,kidney stones etc.

Best way to check whether you/Dc are drinking enough- ignore all the guff about mineral water ,agree its designed to make us part with our money , check the colour of your urine - if its pale straw colour then you are drinking enough- if its amber then have a drink !

Fairenuff · 08/02/2014 11:53

It often gets overlooked that, as well as all the academic learning in school, there is a massive amount of independent learning and independent thinking being taught.

Children need to start taking responsibility for themselves right from the start in Reception. Simple things, like looking after their own belongings - your coat goes on your peg, your gloves in your pockets, your lunchbox on the shelf, etc. So many parents do not allow their young children to do these simple things for themselves.

There are children in Year 2 who cannot do up their own zips on their coats or tie their shoelaces. They don't bring the right equipment to school because 'my mum forgot' when it is their responsibility to organise themselves.

These are very simple life skills and many children are lacking because they are not allowed, by their parents, to take responsibility for themselves.

Being trained to drink at convenient times is also a life skill. Learning that the beginning of a lesson, or during an assembly or a PE lesson is not the best time to leave for a drink or to use the toilet, is all part of the learning that happens in school.

That is why there are set times to drink and use the toilet. Before school starts, during morning break, at lunchtime and after school. They are told and reminded and, if desperate or if they have medical conditions, allowances are made. But on the whole this is just one more life skill that children need to learn.

Drink when the opportunity presents itself. Think ahead, you might be thirsty later if you don't drink at regular intervals. Think for yourself, keep yourself healthy.

LaQueenOfHearts · 08/02/2014 13:05

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Feminine · 08/02/2014 13:32

and yet more showing off...