To think the term Schemie is even more reprehensible than Chav?

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After reading another thread where baby names are being declared Chav or schemie by the op and a few others my blood is boiling a bit.

I live in Scotland and the phrase schemie gets used interchangeably with ned and chav.

I think schemie is by far the worst of the three. Chav and ned are nasty terms of abuse, but refer to a type of behaviour/manner of dress /lifestyle that the (ignorant) speaker is describing.

Schemie goes a step further (a housing scheme is the term used in Scotland for council estate) implies that an undesirable person or behaviour in type of behaviour is exclusive to and representive of people who live in local authority housing. My mother, grandparents and a lot of my friends grew up in council homes and not a single one of them display behaviour which could be described as 'schemie'

Feeling the same rooners,

She "hasn't like any of the names thus far"

Oh hello.

Rooners I am sorry to have angered you so much!

I am not an arrogant dick, I promise! I did start that thread with a disclaimer that I was likely to come across as fussy and dismissive, and sound like an arse.

I am not in the habit of criticising other peoples name choices, hence I started my own thread.

I genuinely couldn't give two fucks what people call their children, I started the thread for suggestions for my child.

Where do you stand on Senga, OP?

please- I know.. I am really struggling with a boys name to be honest.

Anyway, that's not what THIS thread is about so I will stop

'I did start that thread with a disclaimer that I was likely to come across as fussy and dismissive, and sound like an arse. '

That doesn't make it Ok though. I can understand your wish to be frank on your own thread but people are trying to help you out and you're just sitting there like some kind of entitled Miranda Richardson shouting 'No! Off with their heads!'

It would be funny but I did find it a bit upsetting to see you treating people in that way. I hope that makes sense.

I always thought 'ned' was just boiled down from 'ne'er do well' It seems to be used everywhere by everyone in Scotland.

In London we have 'scrote' which my predictive text keeps trying to change to 'actors'

How was I 'treating people'? I am genuinely not following.

People gave me suggestions. I honestly said I didn't like them, and I said why to prevent similar suggestions being made.

If people wanted to suggest names, and didn't want to risk me being brutally honest with my opinion, they should have taken the warning from the OP. I did say I was fussy, dismissive, and could come across as an arse.

Basically, I told you so. Don't be annoyed with me after!

I thought 'Ned' was a name, a short form of Edward? Is it not?

I really like 'Ned', reminds me of my grandfather whom I misheard as 'Nedward'.

I did say I was fussy, dismissive, and could come across as an arse.

What's the difference between coming off as an arse and being an arse?

juno you seem to think you being fussy with the names was tge problem. people are objecting to you using such shitty terms as chavvy or schemie to describe people.

'Basically, I told you so. Don't be annoyed with me after!'

So if I walk up to someone and say, 'excuse me, Im just going to whack you on the head with this bat' - and they stand there thinking 'surely she isn't serious', and I proceed to do as I warned them I would - that's Ok is it?

It's their fault for expecting that I was just joking.

Obviously ?

Schemie is horrible, as are chav and ned

If this wasn't a TAAT it certainly sounds like it has become one.

that was partly my fault. I'm sorry.

My mother, grandparents and a lot of my friends grew up in council homes and not a single one of them display behaviour which could be described as 'schemie'

The modern demographic that typically uses council houses is very different to what it was in the past though, seeing as council housing is now so much more scarce since so much of it was sold off and no more was built.

Yes, it certainly wasn't my intention to start a thread about a thread. It was a reflection on the way these terms get bandied about and how in my view 'scheme' is the vilest of the lot.

etoo I don't think that is any way relevant. My grandparents were probably much like a lot of modern day council house residents today: working poor. Before that they lived with my Gran's parents in a private rent that was subsequently condemned and demolished.

I am in my early 30s so my friends were living in their homes post the mass sell off of council housing in the early 80s.

Either which way, it is no good reason to draw an absolute parallel between where someone lives and a set of negative behaviour traits.

It's only relevant insofar as you used historical council tenants as an example to back up your argument, but that is a flawed example since the modern day usage of council housing is very different.

I'd never heard the term schemie up until now, so can't comment on how that word it used, and end is a word I never hear either, but it always amazes me how wound up people get about the word chav.

It's descriptive, not derogatory in my mind. It's no different to describing someone as a hooray Henry, or as posh, as both of those terms can be used descriptively or negatively. It depends on how the word is used.

I described my some of my Christmas decorations as chavvy last year. I meant they were tacky, as not particularly high quality or sophisticated looking. But I clearly liked them, I chose them.

I also once described the outfit that one of the wealthiest people I know was wearing a chavvy. I'm sure it was an outfit that cost hundreds, but every single item had a great big Dior logo on it, including belt, bag, shoes, top and trousers, and to me that looked chavvy.

I'm Scottish, I'd agree that 'schemie' is worse than 'chavvy' or 'ned' - but I think it's in horribly bad taste to use them. Nobody I know would describe someone like this, it's considered really rude where I am.

I lived in Glasgow for 3 years.

A place can be schemie but a person is a NED.

Well they are certainly not compliments are they

Oh dear. What I want to know is why we ever moved away from "common". "Oh, Sebastian, she's just frightfully common" is all I ever need to say...

(I'm taking the p*ss.)

However, when the urge to sound snobby does overtake me, "common" does fine.

70 I've heard someone's outfit as looking 'really schemie' or a 'bunch of schemie lads. '