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More WIBU- DB and parents (very long)

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Worried3 · 19/01/2014 20:01

I have posted before about my difficult relationship with my DB, who has a personality disorder- and the fact that our father can't accept that while I will be civil to my DB, I have no desire to maintain a relationship with him.

Anyway, my grandmother has recently become quite unwell. She lives very rurally around 3 hours drive from my parents, she's a widow and has no family locally. Realistically she can no longer manage on her own. This became apparent during her stay with my parents over christmas- I managed to arrange appointments for investigation and diagnosis, so she is still staying with them. During this, I have been trying to help where I can (I am a single parent and work full time), as my mother also cares for my father. Dad had to retire early due to ill health- he's not severely disabled- has balance and mobility issues, can't drive etc and thus mum has quite a lot on her plate as she also works full time. Working is her choice, as they could afford for her to retire early, but she says without work and her horse, she thinks her sanity would have departed long ago!

My DB and his wife have 3 DCs. My DB and his wife seem to believe they are entitled to a "child-free" break (usually a long-weekend every month or so). Normally, SILs parents (both retired) take the children as they live closer and also seem to be happy to have the children whenever DB and SIL choose. Which is fine, as it's their choice and they are happy to do it. My parents try to help, but due to circumstances it is less often. Partly, this is also because while she accepts it's their choice how they live their lives/spend their money, my mum doesn't feel that parents really need to have regular weekends away from their DCs, and while she will help for special occasions/every so often isn't really up for weekends every month or so. When she does babysit, she has to go and collect the children and drop them off- 45 minute drive each way- as neither DB or SIL drive.

Due to my grandmother staying with my parents, and especially in view of how she is feeling both physically and emotionally (sudden loss of vision in 1 eye and 6/36 vision in other, expressive and receptive dysphasia), my mum had to tell DB and SIL that she couldn't babysit as planned (she gave them 4 weeks notice of this, and they hadn't actually booked anywhere to stay as they like to try and get last minute deals). They went ballistic apparently, mainly because mum has still been helping out with my DD when I'm on night-shifts/on-call. This might seem unfair, but there is only 1 of her not 3, and DBs eldest has to have his own space and doesn't share a room with his brothers. DPs have 2 spare bedrooms and granny is in 1 of those, so this would not be possible. That, and I don't really have an option about my shifts (other than not to work). and since my ex-partner and I split he has moved abroad, meaning I'm on my own (whole other thread).

DM was really upset, then indignant- she told them to grow up and not ask her for childcare until they could apologise. DF, on the other hand, wanted to smooth things over and mum tends to want to keep him happy as her life is easier if he is (and she feels sorry for him too, I think)- so in the spirit of reconciliation she asked me if I could look after DBs DC as a favour to her.

Given the circumstances, I felt it would have been churlish to say no. So, I agreed to pick them up on Friday after dinner and then drop them off Sunday afternoon about 4pm. This was last week.

The eldest, DBs stepson, is 12 and has recently been diagnosed as being on the autistic spectrum, and can be fussy about food etc- I telephoned SIL to find out what he is likely to eat, any problems I'm unlikely to run into/things he won't cope with. She wasn't very helpful, but said he'd probably eat fish-fingers and chips. The others, aged 7 and 3, will eat anything apparently

Then next day, DB phones and says "not to feed the others any posh stuff, they won't like it". I was a bit taken aback, but let it go. I hadn't planned on cooking anything I didn't think nephews would be unaccustomed to as a) I wouldn't want them to be uncomfortable, and the eldest has valid reasons for having a melt down if I did this and b) it would be a waste of food

On Saturday, all the children helped me make fish-fingers from scratch- they all really loved crumbing the fish etc. My DD doesn't like chips, so I made baby baked potato for her, and they had peas, sweetcorn and carrots. On Sunday we made pizza- they helped make dough and chose toppings. The eldest surprised me by joining in, and eating the food when cooked. They all got to help out with the horses and DDs pony, walking the dogs, went to the park etc. I thought it had gone quite well when I dropped them off.

I got a phone call yesterday from DB (with SIL pitching in on speaker phone) to complain about their stay. He was very rude, and kept on about how I'd "spoiled them" and how they can't stop talking about how much fun they had (not sure why this is a problem?) They now want to make pizza and help SIL with making dinner- apparently, this is a major hassle as they don't have time, SIL hates cooking and their DCs are disappointed. Now they are "turning their noses up" at shop bought pizza- I can't believe this after only 1 pizza making session. My answer to this was that I'd done them a favour by looking after their children, collecting them/dropping off- and in my home I will cook whatever I like.

I had actually thought I'd been considerate my cooking food I thought they'd like. The only valid complaint they had is that my middle nephew now wants to learn to ride, which I know is out of their reach financially- but I don't see how I could have anticipated that. It ended in a row, and I told them not to darken my doorstep again. I haven't mention this to my parents yet, as I think they've got enough on their plate at the moment.

Obviously, my DB felt differently and has informed our parents. My DM told him he had behaved badly. DF said he thought he'd been unreasonable, but that we should make up. I have refused until I get an apology.

Then DF phones today to say could I please babysit my nephews next week as DB/SIL have a chance to go away, but SIL parents can't take them and as situation with granny hasn't changed, my parents can't either.

I said no. DB and SIL haven't apologised and I don't see why I should help them out again. And why do they want me to when I've been so awful?

Dad has phoned again saying DB has been on the phone again putting pressure on mum to take them. Dad says I'm just being difficult as "I know how DB is" and "you really shouldn't do things the parents don't like, it's bound to upset them". 1) DB didn't specify activities his DCs couldn't do 2) he knows I have horses/dogs and they would need walking/fed/checked on etc while his DCs were staying. On this basis, I feel I haven't done anything unreasonable and I am not inclined to let this go (in no small part related to DBs past behaviour). I'm fed up and don't want to see him or his wife again. I'm also fed up with my dad's attitude towards my feelings about my brother and me not wanting a relationship with him.

AIBU to say no to looking after my nephews as I have not had an apology (I am aware this makes mum's life more difficult, but feel she needs to say no and stick to it- and tell dad to stop being such a sop to DB)?

And AIBU to want my dad to just accept that not only can DB be in the wrong, on this occasion he is? I don't want a relationship with DB, AIBU to expect my dad to accept this (he doesn't have to like it, just stop trying to force us together/guilt trip me into it)?

Sorry for the very, very, very long post. I don't want to drip feed and needed to let off steam!

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jay55 · 19/01/2014 23:37

I dont understand all these weekends away then pleading poverty.
YANBU.

Thetallesttower · 19/01/2014 23:47

I can completely understand why you helped out last weekend, but I'm sure it has reminded you why you distanced yourself in the first place and why it's just not possible to continue to help out. You are a very kind person and I'm sure the children had a good time, but even thinking about the children's perspective, I don't think feeling caught between you and their parents would be a good thing.

Chalk it up to another bad experience, protect yourself by not having them stay again, and support your mum to make her own decisions and in other ways, just not with your brother.

WhereYouLeftIt · 19/01/2014 23:47

You are NOT making your dad sound like a monster! What he sounds like is a person in denial, and I think you have reasoned out for yourself what is behind all of it.

"Dad has phoned again saying DB has been on the phone again putting pressure on mum to take them."
Maybe you should try guilt-tripping your dad right back - ask him who he puts first, his long-suffering wife or his selfish arse of a son. You and your mum seem perfectly capable of dealing with your brother correctly, you just need to get your dad on board. Make it all about your mother not your brother. Emphasise that meeting brother's demands just leads to more demands and that there will be no respite, just escalation. Is that what he wants for his beloved wife? Lay it on with a trowel.

MyNameIsKenAdams · 19/01/2014 23:56

Gosh if you had taken my DD and done what you did for a weekend she would think you were the dogs bollocks, and so would I! It is their own insecurities that are making them angry at the experiences you have given to their kids. They should be grateful.

As many a poster on here has said, they can not be that hard up if they can afford to go away every month.

What an utter shame that they prefer to spend their money and their trips away without their children.

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 19/01/2014 23:57

I'll admit that I find it hard to put myself in your shoes as I get on well with all my ssibligadg d,if anything, I want to have my nieces and nephews more often than is possible (I don't make fish fingers from scratch though Wink ). I'd love to tell you that I wouldn't cave in, but the truth is that I would do anything to make my mum's life easier. Only YOU can really gadge whether it would be better for her if you helped out or didn't.

turnaroundbrighteyes · 20/01/2014 00:08

YANBU, but I think it really all comes down to do you want a relationship with your nieces/nephews. If you do, have them because you like spending time with them, do as you please and learn to detach if b and sil moan. If you don't, don't. I do agree with your dad in one respect though that even tiny glimpses or "normal" can help people realise what isn't and aspire for better.

TimeToPassGo · 20/01/2014 00:17

YANBU. The best thing you can do is help your DF stand up to your B. I do feel sorry for the kids though :(

Thetallesttower · 20/01/2014 00:23

Some of you must be better people than me, if my relatives rang me up and criticized my caring of their children, I wouldn't take them again, let alone immediately afterwards.

sykadelic15 · 20/01/2014 00:50

YANBU.

If you don't want to do it, that's up to you (I wouldn't). Your DP's can't make you feel guilty for THEIR choice, the guilt lays with them and your brother & SIL. You make you choice, they make their choice.

I understand what your DF is doing (my FIL tried to same for my DH and MIL), but you should tell him that helping your brother out doesn't make you like him anymore or bring the family closer... in fact that emotionally manipulating you into helping him last time, only served to make you like brother & SIL even less. I would also tell him that if your brother chooses to kick off about it, disown people etc, that is HIS choice and an irrational and manipulative one at that.

dadinthehat · 20/01/2014 13:00

Tldr. Your brother is a twunt. Your dad needs to accept that.

I got half way through a poo without my kids this weekend. Half way. Sigh.

whattimeisitanyway · 20/01/2014 13:19

YAsoNBU!

SuperStrength · 20/01/2014 16:46

YANBU, neither is your mum, you both sound lovely & strong women...good on ya for sticking up for yourselves as clearly for DF wont.

Might it be time to draw a line in the sand for your DF?

If he wants to play happy families then he needs to understand where your boundaries are too. It would be entirely appropriate for you to make it clear that you will not tolerate being badgered into helping your DB when the help is not required & you don't get along with him. Added to which, when you have helped, he has been rextremely offensive, as has SIL & they have not apologied. Their rude behaviour means you are perfectly entitled not to help them again.

If DF continues to badger on their behalf, the ONLY consequence us that he will damage his relationship with you too....is that what he wants?

tiredoutgran · 20/01/2014 17:07

tell them you can't babysit for them because my 4 are coming to stay!

WitchWay · 20/01/2014 17:48

Unbelievable they complained the kids enjoyed themselves too much Confused

You have to stick to your guns & encourage your mum to keep sticking to hers. They sound like right pains!

NadiaWadia · 20/01/2014 20:28

Worried3 Hope you don't think I am being nosy, but I am interested in whether or not your 'D'B has an actual diagnosis for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And if so, how did he come to be diagnosed? I thought that actual diagnosis was rare, as one of the features of this condition is that the person obviously doesn't think there is anything wrong with themselves, they would tend to believe that the problem is everyone else's behaviour!

I am asking because I have a close relative who I (and other family members) believe may have this condition. They also have alcohol problems, etc, very similar to how you describe your brother (probably worse, actually).

BarbarianMum · 20/01/2014 21:44

In many ways your family situation sounds like mine so let me share my lightbulb moment(s) with you:

You are not responsible for your brother's behaviour and you cannot protect him from himself.

You are not responsible for alleviating your father's guilt.

You are not responsible for your mother's choices as regards her propitiating your dad and brother.

I got as far as the first one by my mid-20s, the second by my early thirties and was 42 before I got my head round the third (my mum is lovely too but I can't keep propping up dad and brother to make her life easier).

Good luck and don't back down.

Thetallesttower · 20/01/2014 21:55

The more I think about this, the more bizarre it is. It is not very usual for people to send their three children to relatives two weeks in a row so they can have a break, unless there is some type of emergency.

It is being put over to you as if is is completely normal, but it's not, nor is it reasonable. Even if it was fine and they hadn't complained, it would have been a big ask. That's why people don't ask!

I think it's important that you don't enter into their parallel universe in which everyone runs around trying to please them and give them childcare/weekends off as if this is their right. It isn't and you did them a massive favour for which they are not grateful.

You will be doing them no favours by either taking them or supporting your mum to take them- they have to stop asking people to take their three kids so they can have a nice break when they feel like it, and guilt an entire family into thinking this is reasonable!

MellowAutumn · 20/01/2014 23:02

Didn't you post something similar before and it was a friend's child that was so entranced by you fun animal freshly prepared Boden lifestyle they never wanted to leave and your friend was duly miffed?

Worried3 · 21/01/2014 00:01

Mellow Autumn- nope, not me- you must have me confused with someone else. I have posted before about DB/DF though.

NadiaWadia- yes, he has a formal diagnosis from a psychiatric unit (briefly an in-patient). I don't know all the details as DB hasn't ever spoken to me about it, but I have seen letters relating to occupational health written by his psychiatrist and the formal diagnosis was stated there. The initial assessment was as an in-patient with longer term assessment with psychologist and psychiatrist as an out-patient. It took months for a formal diagnosis. DB seems to switch between thinking he's just misunderstood and is behaving perfectly rationally, to actuallIy quite liking having an excuse (as he sees it) for behaving badly and wears it as some weird badge of honour.

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