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To want my sister to move our of the parental home?

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struggling100 · 07/01/2014 15:56

Sorry, this is long! I have too many very personal emotions about this to know if I am thinking straight.

My sister is in her mid 30s and has always lived at home, apart from a one-year period when she moved out to go to college, and then moved back almost immediately.

She has a well paid job and has been with the same guy (who is lovely) for over a decade. He also works. Their income together must be around £80,000 a year, so enough to buy a house even in an expensive place. Yet they both live at home.

The official reason she refuses to move out is because she is 'anxious'. I believe this - it is a family trait that I share. But she is completely functional to work and do everything else that she wants to do. I know this sounds awful, but I think the real motivation for her to be there is simply greed and convenience. My parents allow her to live there on a very small rent. She has consequently been able to save a massive deposit for her first home, which will allow her to skip several rungs of the housing ladder and move straight into a property that most ordinary people would have to save into their 50s to afford.

My parents do a great deal of things for her: washing, ironing, they make her breakfast and they cook for her. It is like she is living a lifestyle with two servants to take care of her. The house is chock-full of stuff, and is increasingly untidy, despite my Mum liking things neat. My parents have repeatedly said that they are fed up with the situation, and I am concerned about their wellbeing. I want them to be able to enjoy their retirement in their own space. I also worry about her, because I don't think it can be good for someone in the long term to be dependent on others. What would happen to her if (god forbid) something happened to my parents?

But I am also very aware that I have personal feelings about this that may be clouding my judgement. My sister is so obviously the favourite, and I receive nothing but criticism from my parents. Partly this is because my sister shores up her position by constantly briefing against me, twisting everything that I say to the most negative meaning, and lying about me when she can't do this. There is nothing I can do to stop this or to correct the falsehoods, because they are never openly stated. She is much more clever at that sort of thing than me.

Meanwhile, I have roughed for years it in horrible flats, sometimes without any heating or anything to eat. I have had to be really resilient to get through some horrible situations alone. I have also experienced anxiety for years, yet I don't get anything like the same support! A while back, I went through a divorce from a man whose behaviour was erratic at first, becoming violent later. Earning much less than my sister, I couldn't afford to pay my half of the mortgage on the house I owned with him while it was up for sale and live elsewhere. So I slept in my car for weeks until I met my DH who let me move in with him straight away. Most people would have been able to move in with parents for a while - I couldn't, because she was already there, her anxiety trumping every urgency of my own situation. In fact, my family responded by accusing me of having an affair (so untrue and so hurtful), and by offering my ex support. My sister even told him my plans and whereabouts, even though I had said that I didn't want him to be given this information and feared for my safety if it were handed over.

Anyway, I recently received a text from my sister asking me not to mention her housing situation because she found it upsetting when I did. I am afraid that under the influence of PMS I replied in a rather bad-tempered way. I said that I cared very much about her, but that I thought I had a right to mention it since it affected others as well as her. I went on to say that I genuinely didn't think that living at home was the best thing either for her or for my parents in the longer term, and that 10 years of shutting up on the subject hadn't achieved any change. She called me a drama queen, said I was lying about our parents' feelings, and told me that I was being unsupportive of her feelings and that I needed to back off. I replied that I thought she was old enough to see the moral side of the situation and to be able to stand on her own two feet rather than exploiting our parents. She asked who made me the sherriff!! I suppose I was a bit pompous.

BTW, I will probably be excommunicated from my family for some time for taking it this far.

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Notsomuchtoday · 08/01/2014 12:39

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flippinada · 08/01/2014 12:49

Two things jump out at me here - firstly, that this is a toxic family dynamic with you as scapegoat and your sis as the golden child. This is not your fault. It might feel like your sis is the "winner" here but in reality she isn't.

Also, so what if you feel jealous? You have nothing to feel ashamed of. You're only human and it's a natural reaction to your situation.

Secondly, you have every right to feel hurt and angry at the way your family have treated you. They sided with your abusive ex and put you in danger! That is shockingly nasty behaviour - I wouldn't do that to someone I didn't like.

In the nicest possible way, I think you need to start getting angry and stop blaming yourself.

5Foot5 · 08/01/2014 13:35

Well on the bright side, if your sis stays there forever she can take up the bulk of the caring duties for your parents when they are older and infirm.

Unfortunately with someone this self-centred, what is the betting that by the time the parents are elderly and infirm the sister will have finally moved in to her "property that most ordinary people would have to save into their 50s to afford" and won't want anything to do with caring duties. The OP might find herself back in favour then when they look to her to care for them Sad

Lazysuzanne · 08/01/2014 13:42

what is the betting that by the time the parents are elderly and infirm the sister will have finally moved in to her "property that most ordinary people would have to save into their 50s to afford" and won't want anything to do with caring duties

having first persuaded them to sign up for an equity release scheme.
When the parents eventually pass on the OP finds that there is no equity left in the property, the sister having made off with the spoils several years previously.

(this happened to a relative of mine)

struggling100 · 08/01/2014 13:57

I don't think my sister's objective is to get the family home. My parents live in a very ordinary semi in a lower middle class road. Instead, she and her boyfriend are saving so that they can afford to buy a very expensive house in a very expensive area. I don't know where this comes from - as I said, my family is not rich - but whereas most people start out in a flat or small terrace and have to work up to the big detached pile, she believes that she is entitled to a large residence and a garden and ponies etc. etc. etc. Her objective in being at home is to live cheaply so she can save enough money to be able to afford this - as I said, she and her partner are both in very well paid jobs.

To give you an idea, a while back, I was trying to help her find houses to buy on Rightmove. I suggested several, and she wrote them off as in areas that were 'too rough'. To give some perspective, I showed her the postcodes on a colour-coded map of deprivation, which indicated they were roughly equivalent to where my parents live and definitely more upmarket than ALL of the areas I've ever lived in!

My grandmother offered my sister her bungalow, which is lovely, as a gift in her will. This also is not good enough.

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struggling100 · 08/01/2014 13:58

Ooops, sorry, I misread your posts!! You were saying this already!! Sorry!

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Lazysuzanne · 08/01/2014 14:08

She might not want the actual family home but she may well want the equity in it to add to her own stash?

It does sound infuriating but I dont see that there is anything you can do about the situation.

notsomuchtoday · 08/01/2014 15:14

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CailinDana · 08/01/2014 16:03

I am in a somewhat similar situation in that my older sister (32) lives with my parents while my younger sister and I live in a different country. I don't think my sister is the favourite though, it's more like my parents are afraid of her. She totally dominates them and while my dad seems to hate her neither of them will say a word against her. Both younger sis and I have been very badly let down by our parents over the years. Older sister bullied us and made our lives hell and parents never did anything about it. There were othef ways in which we were ignored and unsupported too.
I used to feel quite angry and jealous but now I just find it all so sad and pathetic which isn't much better tbh. The way I see it all three of us were let down but younger sister and I escaped and we've made good lives for ourselves whereas she's still stuck reliving the same old child/parent scenarios over and over. I feel so sorry for her. I am very lucky in that my younger sister and I are very close and we are family to each other. She is still struggling with the same feelings you are going through at the moment but I'm hoping with time she can detach like I have.
I think my older sister is hoping she can nab the family home. She has no partner and doesn't seem able to hold onto a relationship so younger sis and I have agreed that when she inevitably tries to bully us into giving over our share she can have it. At least then we can walk away with a clear conscience and never have to see her again.
Equally I feel my parents have reaped what they have sown, stuck with a selfish nasty bitch making their lives hard and pretty much estranged from their other two children.

struggling100 · 08/01/2014 17:08

Cailin. Wow. Your generosity is a real lesson to me.

I need to have more of your attitude!

I have realised so much thanks to all you Mumsnetters, and the most valuable lesson is to leave the things alone that I can do nothing about and to focus more on inner strength and stability.

I realise now that my sister's situation is between her and my parents and that whatever feelings I have about the difference in the way we are treated is a separate issue: my issue that I need to deal with in my own way. What that way is I am not sure. I guess it's a journey.

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sisterofmercy · 08/01/2014 18:04

I definitely think you should talk it through with someone who won't judge you, like a counsellor. You may be able to work out your coping strategies on your own if you can unload some of the pain. There have been so many bad things happen recently which will have stirred up all your sadness and need for nurturing so being able to talk about them too will help.

You will also need to eventually forgive yourself for feeling negative about it. You have every right to feel that way (in my opinion) but you may be angry at yourself for feeling 'weak' or 'jealous' which again in my opinion are reasonable emotional reactions given the circumstances. Just let it all out and give yourself many hugs. You're human and you have so many lovely aspects of your personality that are far more important in the long run.

Your DH sounded nice the way he was there for you at the start of your relationship - I hope you can forge a new life with him where you start to emerge from this with a smile on your face. It's horrible now but this may be the sign that you are not prepared to put up with the same old same old any more.

whattimeisitanyway · 08/01/2014 18:42

Don't feel guilty for being jealous. It is totally understandable in the circumstances.
My PIL have a similar type of relationship with my BIL (even worse in lots of ways). All three of them are rather toxic people. We just stay out of it. I really think that is the best thing for you to do too and will make you much happier in the longer term.

Toecheese · 08/01/2014 19:35

You can see the favouritism and can use your strong feelings to ensure that your own children are treated equally.

I have had toxic relatives before. Distance really helps. Keeping things very polite and surface when you do see them. After a while I started to see the funny side of their behaviour. I'd always have a good laugh about what they did with my best friend

Toecheese · 08/01/2014 19:36

Ps. It's very unfair for gran to leave her house to sis only. Very odd behaviour.

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