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to think the over-diagnosis of depression is hardly news?

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Mitchy1nge · 06/01/2014 13:13

in torygraph today it's claimed depression is more likely to be over than under diagnosed - something this blogger describes as social suffering apparently something like one in six people in Blackpool are on anti-depressants Shock

is this only in the news this week because everyone is supposed to feel a bit crap in January? The study came out a few weeks ago.

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Mitchy1nge · 06/01/2014 21:18

well I'm not angry about it now, I wasn't then I just didn't agree with the diagnosis (I still don't mostly) but I didn't go through a GP or whatever, I passed GO and found myself in hospital and then I was in a revolving door for a while and all the time not convinced I had anything much wrong with me

which is partly why I am quite sensitive to the harms that come from telling people they are ill if they are not, and why I'm interested in how we decide when someone's mental suffering counts as an illness and when it doesn't and how far it is helpful either way and so on

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HairyPloppins · 06/01/2014 21:24

I get where you're coming from. Why would people say you had something if you didn't though?

I guess the litmus test is what happens if you don't take meds?

Mitchy1nge · 06/01/2014 21:25

Sofia that sounds interesting, does it help to explain the regional variations a bit do you think?

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HairyPloppins · 06/01/2014 21:28

Mitchy I have pmd you

Mitchy1nge · 06/01/2014 21:29

yes well we have tried that Blush

at least there is an extremely solid evidence base for lithium and manic depression, not so for any other drug and illness (except maybe clozapine in schizophrenia?)

obviously if GPs themselves are noticing a situation in which they are overdiagnosing depression and prescribing antidepressants where they are not needed then that's something we should be worried about

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Mitchy1nge · 06/01/2014 22:37

thanks hairy

am just bumping for any of the later evening crowd who might be browsing MN hoping for a link to an article about the medicalisation of misery and the loss of social suffering and so on Grin

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SofiaAmes · 06/01/2014 23:40

Mitchy1nge - yes probably does help explain the regional variations (and also many of the other issues that seem to accompany depression like sleep issues and appetite as Vitamin D plays a part in regulating those as well). You should see a lot about this in the news in the next few months.

Also, I didn't read the whole thread in detail (I usually tune out when posters are not being nice to each other as it depresses me Smile ) , but if there was any conversation about schizophrenia and bi-polar, it's worth googling mitochondrial disease and those disorders. This is much newer and less researched than the Vitamin D topics, but it seems there is some emerging evidence/research that the mood disorders have a connection with mitochondrial disfunction and that some of the supplements that are successfully being used to treat mitochondrial disfunction may be helpful with the mood disorders. My ds has mitochondrial disease, so I do a lot of personal research on this on my own behalf.

SofiaAmes · 06/01/2014 23:44

Also, I find that mental health treatment in the USA seems to be somewhat more advanced (and much more socially acceptable) than in the UK. What I am seeing here is pretty much without exception a combination of talk therapy and medication for bi-polar and the other mood disorders. Although there seems to be a split where the talk therapy is done by a psychologist and the psychiatrist mostly just prescribes and confers with the psychologist about the talk part. I'm guessing that there is a financial factor in this emerging split.

Mitchy1nge · 06/01/2014 23:52

that's really interesting, the metabolic thing, I was convinced for a long time that there was something physical (maybe kidney disease or something endocrinological Confused) going on when I was first unwell

I will definitely attempt to read about it tomorrow, thanks sofia

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SofiaAmes · 07/01/2014 01:23

If you have any trouble finding information, PM me and I'll send you what I have.

cory · 07/01/2014 09:33

Like punkatheart I have had the opposite experience: having to wait very long for dd to be put into anti-depressants despite the fact that she had very little quality of life, was ruining her physical health and was missing out on her secondary education.

Not saying that I blame the doctors who chose to be careful: I can totally see where they were coming from.

Though I can also feel some sympathy for a GP who suspects that his suicidal patient's symptoms are caused by an unbearable social situation but equally knows there is nothing at all he can do to fix that side of it and the only alternative is suicide or at least complete collapse/inability to deal with dependents.

What would you do if you had a patient who was worn down by living in a slum, with no education or hope of a job, surrounded by violence and drug dealers, caring for a severely disabled child and a toddler, who came to you confessing that she wasn't coping and all she could think about was killing herself?

You can't fix the slum or find her a job, services have been cut, there is no support available for her as a carer and you haven't got a hope in hell of even getting her a referral to proper Mental Health services. If you do not do anything, she may well kill herself or at the very least neglect her family. And how can you know that this person isn't medically depressed as well as having an intolerable situation? Should you deny medication to anybody expect those who seem to lead a charmed life? Difficult, difficult.

Mitchy1nge · 07/01/2014 11:41

how is your daughter now Cory? I hope things have improved for her

it can't be easy for GPs who have, what, 10 minutes with someone and are supposed to somehow plug those gaps left by all the other services - and I have seen on here lots of times people plucking up the courage to ask for help and feeling fobbed off, am just wondering how helpful it is overall to frame that sort of distress as an illness

I think the blogger should have explained a bit more what he meant by 'social suffering' for the less sociologically inclined among us

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cory · 07/01/2014 13:25

Thanks Mitchy, things have improved massively with medication: dd is now back in full time education, has a social life for the first time in years and is mainly confident about the future. She did benefit from CBT therapy, but couldn't take it in until she had the medication to take the edge off her anxiety/depression.

She was lucky because she got the full benefit of a properly trained expert in adolescent mental health and a supportive team of staff rather than a flustered GP trying to think on his feet. But as so often, it's a question of resources.

Tardigrade · 07/01/2014 14:17

Can I point out another flaw in the statistics? The incidence of depression is inferred from the number of people taking anti-depressants.

I have taken several different types of A-Ds and (luckily) have never had depression in my life. A-Ds are used for a range of problems, especially in the management of chronic pain. There doesn't seem to be a distinction made, and it is assumed they are taken for depression.

I recently had to have my medical notes changed as I discovered that I had been wrongly diagnosed with 'chronic depression' at one appointment. Apparently the diagnosis came about because I was taking Prozac...

Punkatheart · 07/01/2014 14:35

That is fantastic to hear, Cory. My girl last night hacked off a great wad of her hair - I am scared just what she will do next. I have written to the doctor chasing our referral. So much bloody fighting and meanwhile she has lost her education, cries all the time and is unable to even go out.

Resources is the thing indeed, Cory.

aoife24 · 07/01/2014 15:12

I don't like a.ds being described as 'happy pills'. I take them quite often and they make such a huge difference to my ability to cope; when it's bad I can scarcely leave the house. I am trying some online CBT but I have some deep-rooted issues I don't feel confident about ever resolving.

Mitchy1nge · 07/01/2014 22:46

good luck punkatheart

I've resisted the involvement of the MH services for #3 but I needn't have worried because as soon as we make any sort of progress with any given worker they disappear along with their entire department and we are just sort of left in limbo while they restructure themselves again

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