Regarding dieting

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Just watching that Channel 4 program about people who used to be fat, then thin then fat again and its got me thinking.

AIBU tonot see how people can claiming dieting and exercise don't work and to say that of course they bloody do if you stick to it and do it properly. As someone who has previously lost a great deal of weight this way it really grates on me that people use it as an excuse.

I know there can be medical issues but the general reality is that people don't do it properly!

LadyglamalotFri 03-Jan-14 23:45:02

I wonder if there is a bunch of men on dadsnet fretting about xmas weight?

Or fat shaming other men.

Both of my grandmothers lived into their 80's, and their were certainly lots of other post menopausal women around as well.
Regarding men stressing out about xmas weight gain, well I don't know about dadsnet but yes they are on other forums I frequent. And they can certainly do their fair share of 'fat shaming ' as well.

Hmm Dont see so much cigarette shaming though do we? I dont see a whole nights tv schedule devoted to that.

OMG cigarette shaming is everywhere to be seen Lol (apart from TV so you're right there).

But on MN no-one considers that people might smoke due to emotional issues, have a difficult relationship with tobacco or childhood issues that caused nicotine addiction.

And as for smoking during pregnancy they'll be the spawn of the devil, unlike being overweight/obese during pregnancy, even though there are just as many risks to baby and mother.

I kind of get the point you're trying to make Darkesteyes but I think you've made the wrong call by comparing with smokers.

They are the whipping boy of everyone fat and thin, who feel the need to be superior to someone else.

And no I'm not a smoker....

I think smoking is very different, you have to 'start' smoking - you don't 'start' eating in the same way do you?

I also think that in this country at least, the message is mostly understood about how bad smoking is for you as it has been pushed for decades now. Obesity has only really come to the fore in the last few years as a real issue for concern.

Yes but many people 'start smoking' because they're young/they think they'll never get addicted/they've had poor parental role models...etc etc.

It doesn't matter to a nicotine addict how much the 'message is pushed'...they're still addicted to nicotine aren't they?

The same as lots of people are addicted to the wrong kind of foods.

Both emotional crutches and both bad for the addict.

Sorry, my point being...I don't see why one addiction/bad habit is worthy of understanding and sympathy but not the other.

Especially if the fat person wants to be slimmer but can't manage it, and if the smoker wants to be nicotine free but can't manage it either.

Many years ago when i was bigger i lost count of the times i heard "you fat bitch" while i was out.
"you smoking bitch" Not so much.

I dont see loads of magazine articles persecuting smokers either!
But neither addiction should be persecuted IMO.

Sorry but i still think overweight ppl are "the safe prejudice"

People should just stop concentrating on dieting and start concentrating on eating healthy. I know some people see it as the same thing but it's not. The latter is a change of lifestyle

On this note, I saw someone earlier on a different site saying people who are obese are exactly the same as someone with anorexia, just the opposite way around. I don't agree. I think for some people food is an addiction, but for most of us it is just far too easy to indulge rather than deny.

I've never thought about it that way worra. Thankyou for that.

I wonder if there is a bunch of men on dadsnet fretting about xmas weight?

I don't think any of them are on Dadsnet, but the men in my team at work are really very boring about their exercise and calorie counting and how they've put on weight over Christmas. One of them goes on about how he wants to lose another 5kg, and he's already pretty scrawny.

They make me want to eat lots of cake in front of them all, even though I am not that bothered about cake.

I'm an obese weight, but it's mostly very stable. I notice my diet is far better when I'm not at work, and I even lost weight on holiday - just a lot more active and eating more healthily. But I do spend around 40 hours a week sat behind my desk, plus the commuting time, and sometimes, it feels like food is almost the only excitement in the day. Actually, I worry more about fitness thsn fatness.

The only time I ever lost a lot of weight was when my father was dying, and having clothes literally fall off me on top of everything else -well, I know controlled, planned weight loss isn't the same, but I do have a bit of a mental block there.

Who cares anyway? No one else does, and knowing that if I lost weight I might increase my chances of living longer - why bother? Life's not really worth it.

This article may be of interest wrt to people who struggle to lose weight, highlighting the mind-body connection and most of all, that it's really doesn't have to be all about control and willpower.

how I lost 220lbs without dieting

Ebear ...I think your feelings are often a big impediment to losing weight. If you don't feel like life is worth living or that you are worth looking after, then how on earth are you going to be motivated to change things? Trouble is, people judging and criticising you because of weight is only going to reinforce those feelings...