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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To consider making a ‘contract’ thing at the start of any future relationships which discusses issues like marriage/finances/housework/pets before even moving in together?

59 replies

EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 30/12/2013 13:44

Probably a silly idea, but I've been thinking about this for a while.

When/If i ever find myself in another relationship, i would want to draw up some sort of 'contract' (can't think of a better word) before moving in together which discusses lots of issues I often see on here that causes problems.

E.g - How chores will be allocated. How the finances will work. What will happen at Christmas (stay at home or visiting)? How will this change when/if we have children together? How will childcare be allocated? How will our working life change? How will the housework roles change? How over-bearing or disinterested do we expect our respective ILs to be? (Huge issue for me as me ex-MIL was extremely overbearing and caused me to have PND). How do we plan to school our children? How do we ensure we have equal time for ourselves/our hobbies (i see frequently on here mums being left home alone with the baby while the dad swans off to the pub/football etc - again this has happened to me in the past). Where will we live? What would we do if our parents became ill? Are we happy to have them live with us?

There are tons of other things i would want to cover as well. But i would want it drawn up like some sort of pre-nup. I know that it would be easy to change your mind/attitude about any of these issues when they do eventually arise, and that a bit of paper isn’t enforceable, but at least everything was discussed beforehand and could be reflected upon. Or it would show straight away a huge difference of opinion on something that could effectively mean the end of a relationship 5 years down the line (e.g. the desire to have another child when it turns out the other partner only ever wanted one).

No doubt, i'll be single forever if a man asks for us to move in together and i present him with my 'discussions booklet/contract'.

But i just see so many things on here and in RL that i believe could have been sorted out/discussed right from the start.

AIBU to think this is a sensible idea? Or has my awful past experience of a relationship with dd's dad (6 years ago) messed me up a bit? (He's chosen to never have contact with her since 3 months old).

Been single ever since. And quite happily, too. I love my independence. I love being able to make day-to-day decisions without negotiating. I like being selfish and doing whatever i want.

But it is very lonely. And i feel as though i might be open to dating these days if i ever meet someone i like. But i just want to ensure i avoid or try my damnest to prevent all the issues reoccurring that destroyed my previous relationship.
I wish that we had tried from the start:

Talking about how MIL's obsessive attitude couldn't continue when our dd was born.

Talking about how scared ex was of his own mother and how he chose to please her over me.

Talking about finances from the start. I ended up having to buy all the baby things myself because he didn't agree half the stuff was necessary (Moses basket, steriliser etc)

Talking about housework from the start (i ended up doing everything).

Talking about how our social lives/hobbies would remain fair. He got to go out every night while i had to stay home.

So basically i would want to discuss all issues - big (marriage/kids/finances), small (housework/social lives/Christmas arrangements) to minuscule (time spent on work at home/time spent connected to a computer/baby names including surname - another thing that often cause issues) that frequently cause confrontation and resentment in relationships to be discussed way before even moving in together.

AIBU? Will i be single forever if i try to implement this? TBH i don't really think I'd mind forever singledom too much.

Thanks for listening to my ramble. Grin

OP posts:
EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 30/12/2013 13:45

Contract thing that should be...

and housework...

I blame the kittens crawling all over me Grin

OP posts:
WorraLiberty · 30/12/2013 13:50

Sheldon, is that you?

BohemianGirl · 30/12/2013 13:51

At worst you'll be a mad cat lady.

Relationships are about mutual compromise - if you re drawing up contracts then it shows that you are controlling and unbending Grin

BTW you forgot to cover in your contractual musings how often he's supposed to give you a servicing, frequency, duration, technique

Apatite1 · 30/12/2013 13:54

WorraLiberty: I guffawed.

I think 99% of men would run like their asses were on fire on presentation of such a contract.

WooWooOwl · 30/12/2013 13:55

I think you'd be better of fleeting go of what was wrong in your old relationship first.

BohemianGirl · 30/12/2013 13:57

ex-MIL was extremely overbearing and caused me to have PND

I'd want to see something like taking responsability for your own health and emotional well being.

RandyRudolf · 30/12/2013 13:58

In theory a good idea.

Contracts make me think of 50 Shades though.

Onesleeptillwembley · 30/12/2013 13:59

Surely if you'd got to the stage of being with someone you want to stay with then you would have discussed those things already. If its presented at the beginning of any relationship I don't think you'd need to worry about any of those things happening tbh. Anyone faced with that would be off like a shot.

KateAdiesEarrings · 30/12/2013 14:01

i just see so many things on here and in RL that i believe could have been sorted out/discussed right from the start

You see, this ^^ is where I think you're going wrong. Quite often the big issues are discussed before people get married, have children or live together but living the issues is very different. Plus couples will often agree to anything in the first flush of love. If your partner ends up EA or worse then they're not going to point that out to you at the contract filling stage.

I can understand why you want to try to protect yourself from future hurt but a 'contract' is not going to help. As you say yourself, it isn't enforceable. It would simply become another issue to argue about 'well you said you'd let me have x hrs for cakemaking on a Thurs and I've only had y. It says so in black and white'

There are some counsellors who offer relationship counselling/pre-marriage counselling and that might be better at helping you to identify issues but it all depends whether you're looking for reasons to walk away or reasons to say it will all be fine.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 30/12/2013 14:01

I would want to make sure I was on the same page about marriage and children and roughly same timescale before moving in with someone. And would expect chores to be split equally when living together if no kids and both working. But you really can't plan for every eventuality...

Rummikub · 30/12/2013 14:01

I like sheldon's relationship agreement.

This kind of stuff is supposed to be discussed though, isn't a contract just formalising a verbal agreement??

(I love Sheldon)

SamG76 · 30/12/2013 14:03

YANBU on the big issues, but on small and miniscule issues you are.

I'm astonished at the number of posters who say things like "I never realised he was intending to bring up DS as a Muslim" or "I assumed it would be fine for my mum to visit for 3 months each year"

kinkyfuckery · 30/12/2013 14:08

Why do you need a contract? Why not just have a, yunno, discussion?

WooWooOwl · 30/12/2013 14:08

Most people talk about these things before they get married anyway, and it would be more useful to agree a way to solve any problems or disagreements that occur rather than discussing and agreeing to each individual thing before either of you have any idea of what the reality will be like.

I don't think moving in with each other is a problem. It's having children without having had any sort of discussion about what you both want out of life that's the problem.

Rummikub · 30/12/2013 14:10

Woowooowl, I like that proposal.

WorraLiberty · 30/12/2013 14:15

People change anyway as they get older.

You need to leave room for that. We're not robots.

hermionepotter · 30/12/2013 14:18

I think some of these issues wouldn't happen again - for instance you'd be able to see for yourself what the in-laws were like and judge that etc. Maybe consider how you would assert yourself in a more equal relationship and chose a non-selfish partner. Don't judge everyone by your ex that would be a mistake

bazingasheldon · 30/12/2013 14:20

What a fabulous idea.

Grin Wink
inkyfingers · 30/12/2013 14:25

Presumably you'll be relieved to meet a bloke who presents you with an equally long list of what he wants from his GF, in which case, go ahead. But just get to know him properly before would be much better. Then you won't both be living in a contract all the time. Ugh

Life changes, stuff happens, people change, but your contract won't allow for that.

WaitingForMe · 30/12/2013 14:25

A contract wouldn't allow for much flexibility but I think discussion is essential.

For what it's worth, I refused to move in with DH until he was certain he wanted a child with me. It wasn't an ultimatum, I was happy to date and be casual. Life is too short to waste on men who aren't quite sure about you.

FudgefaceMcZ · 30/12/2013 14:29

Erm. TBH I'm terrified of moving in with anyone else in future after having crap experiences with it in past with ex husband and ex-boyfriend (post ex-husband, I'm kind of living backwards). Even though current boyfriend is much nicer and does housework spontaneously and is generally great (I don't expect him to help with kids as they aren't his though he plays on wii with them while I go to supermarket and has occasionally read stories for everyone in comedy weegie accent which I should get him to do more). I don't think a contract would help with this. You know what someone's like or you don't, and if they're going to change into a mental bastard who throws things at you because you've not put their pyjamas in the right place when you move in (hi there exbf) then a contract isn't going to stop that as it's not legally enforcable (even if it was, what consequences could there be for breaking it other than being kicked out which is available as an option regardless).

HoratiaDrelincourt · 30/12/2013 15:07

Smile Smile

HoratiaDrelincourt · 30/12/2013 15:07

Smile Smile

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 30/12/2013 15:13

It would be easier just to marry/live with a decent person who already shared your idea of what needed to happen rather than obliging someone to abide by the rules of a contract. Housework for example, i mean surely you would have the measure of someone before committing your life to them so that you knew they were happily pulling their weight? Or is that just too sensible? Going by some posts in MN i think it might be Hmm

dancingwithmyselfandthecat · 30/12/2013 15:14

I think its a good idea, not because it would be binding but because it would force consideration of really important issues and foster some communication. Half the relationship problems I've seen on here and in rl arise because a) the couple didn't know about major incompatibilities at the start or b) didn't communicate properly.

I know of a vicar and a rabbi who in their marriage preparation classes ask the couples a lot of the questions on your list, and more besides.