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101 replies

PublicEnemyNumeroUno · 28/12/2013 20:52

Swap not "swop"

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CuntyBunty · 29/12/2013 17:45

What is "comma splicing" please?

ReluctantBeing · 29/12/2013 18:03

Comma splicing is using a comma to join two full sentences. A full stop is preferable, or a semi-colon sometimes works instead.

Rattitude · 29/12/2013 18:09

Just to clarify... It is actually 'tout de suite' in French and NOT 'tout suite'. Wink

koTinkaBell · 29/12/2013 18:24

reluctant, I do that comma thing all the time, I annoy myself with it too!

FredFredGeorge · 29/12/2013 18:41

timidviper No it's spelt "toot sweet", has been since the first world war when it was anglicised, as noted by rattitude it's not written "tout suite" in French at all.

It's not a phrase from another language, it's an Anglicisation of a foreign phrase - although I believe some French pronunciations would drop the de, but I could be completely wrong on that.

PublicEnemyNumeroUno · 29/12/2013 21:05

Just to follow on from the gecko thing, I remember a poster once wrote on here....

'It's a doggy dog world"

It killed me Grin

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koTinkaBell · 29/12/2013 21:06
Grin

I was once asked what I was doing for mahogany Grin

DameDeepRedBetty · 29/12/2013 21:27

From our AIBU Correspondent

It has been noted with some disquiet by our more thoughtful readers in this forum's wide and varied membership that there have been recent signs of trouble on the far borders of the topic. It would appear that this great and mighty realm is under assault from the previously peaceable tribe of Pedant's Corner. Who knows what malign forces have instigated this attack on the benign, thoughtful rule of AIBU from these normally gentle, misguided souls?

We fear that this evil may have been orchestrated by mischief makers from such remote, arcane districts as Telly Addicts, or even Baby Names.

With apologies to the late Michael Wharton

koTinkaBell · 29/12/2013 21:51

Grin Oh no! Make a run for it, chaps. We've been rumbled!

PublicEnemyNumeroUno · 29/12/2013 22:52

Arf Grin

I am a bit of a pendant Grin

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PeriodFeatures · 29/12/2013 23:52

Yeah but I couldn't give a shite about its/it's

Well i fucking do. It's a big deal to me for good reason Grin

PublicEnemyNumeroUno · 30/12/2013 10:44

I wonder how this thread would have turned out if i'd got the title correct?

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badtime · 30/12/2013 11:43

DameDeepRedBetty, I think you'll find that it is "Pedants' Corner" (the corner of the pedants, not of the pedant).

timidviper · 30/12/2013 15:47

If you Google it (and, of course Google is always right Grin) it allows "tout suite", "toute suite" or "tout de suite" as a French phrase used in English to mean right away. This other forum has discussed it too here

Toot sweet is shown only as a link to Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, not a phrase in common usage, so I still maintain that I am right and everybody else, everywhere, ever is wrong and shall now stick my fingers in my ears and sing la-la-la before anybody tries to convince me that this offensive mis-spelling is anything other than an aberration! Grin

FredFredGeorge · 30/12/2013 16:46

timidviper

Here's the quick OED:
www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/toot-sweet
and here's the fuller one:
www.oed.com/view/Entry/203329
(you can log in with your library id if you're in most of the UK)
Lots of references there (Punch, Nevil Shute and others)

And you can see its usage vs toute suite and toute de suite in books:

books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=toot+sweet%2Ctoute+de+suite%2C+toute+suite&year_start=1900&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Ctoot%20sweet%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ctoute%20de%20suite%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ctoute%20suite%3B%2Cc0

toot sweet appears to be winning as the spelling quite handily, and toot sweet is even rising in popularity since the 60's which actually surprises me and suggests that is now an established phrase not from the French.

Heartbrokenmum73 · 30/12/2013 16:51

Doggy dog world Grin

Love that nearly as much as the gecko!

timidviper · 30/12/2013 17:29

FredFred La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la! Can't hear you! Grin

Rattitude · 30/12/2013 18:13

Timid, this is one instance where a Google search generates misleading results. Wink

'Tout suite' is listed on this website. However, the information is shit in this instance as it states "From French toute de suite", which is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Angry

FredFredGeorge · 30/12/2013 21:34

So, interestingly, Google actually has references going back well before the OED's earliest reference, e.g. this one from 1830

books.google.co.uk/books?id=8D8FAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA50&dq=%22toot+sweet%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3eXBUpW3D6O80QWy24GIDg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22toot%20sweet%22&f=false

Although you probably have more reason to complain about that one as it actually says it's "as the French say"

This one from 1834 just uses it though...
books.google.co.uk/books?id=SoIVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA108&dq=%22toot+sweet%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mubBUu2oB4js0gXylIGIAQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22toot%20sweet%22&f=false

FredFredGeorge · 30/12/2013 21:36

(why do I keep looking up Toot Sweet...) I was even back working today, so the Christmas boredom has finished.

Rattitude · 30/12/2013 22:35

Fred, I suppose the French say it that way. They do not write it that way though. wink

FredFredGeorge · 30/12/2013 22:50

Rattitude I'm not even convinced the French do it say that way, I didn't think they did - but I can't ask any French friends as it'll out my mumsnet secret identity.

Rattitude · 30/12/2013 23:00

Fred, I have inside information here. Wink We (!) either say it 'toot sweet' or 'tood sweet'.

Possible exception would be a Southerner's pronunciation of the expression.

Rattitude · 30/12/2013 23:28

Insider information

FredFredGeorge · 31/12/2013 09:05

I prefer "inside information" myself...