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AIBU, the miltery awards on ITV

252 replies

RoseRedder · 16/12/2013 21:01

AIBU?

I think this is wrong

The 'wars' these men/women have been in are all made up wars by the UK and USA government

And now there is a tv programme giving them celebrity status

I don't doubt the people of will be nominated will have gone out their way to aid their colleagues

But turning war into a tv programme is beyond sick

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LtEveDallas · 16/12/2013 21:25

Oh and they dont get celebrity status - do you know the names of last years 'winners'?

They'll be back at work the next day having the piss ripped out of them by their mates. They mean nothing except (generally) to the family of the recipients. They come with no money/status/medal/standing.

They are nothing to do with the government, and they are not the result of Iraq or Afghanistan.

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RoseRedder · 16/12/2013 21:27

what was it David Cameron said today

'Mission Accomplished'

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DeckTheHallsWithBoughsOfHorry · 16/12/2013 21:32

It's a shitty programme because it's an excuse for some slebs to have yet another posh dinner at someone else's expense and pretend they give a shiny shit about Our Heroes being wheeled out and given a token award to assuage their guilt about the devastation our government wreaks on the world by its policies and the men and women we have to send out (risking life and limb) to clear up the mess.

/rant

ConferencePear · 16/12/2013 21:32

Good to see the spirit of goodwill to all has started early this Christmas.

formerbabe · 16/12/2013 21:36

I am not watching it because I imagine its like the pride of Britain awards. I dislike seeing the z list celebs there trying to look emotional/sincere/moved. Fair play to the rest of it.

meditrina · 16/12/2013 21:37

"I don't agree with government sponpership wars"

Who, other than the Government, should have the authority to commit British forces to operations, then?

And if you don't want a war-mongering government, don't vote for it. Though I suppose no-one would have predicted how bellicose Blair et al would be before their first foray.

halestone · 16/12/2013 21:38

Wow not being a good at spelling doesn't make you a bad person. But your OP paints you to be a pretty horrible person. If you don't like it turn it over don't make a thread about these awards giving soldiers 'celebrity status'

I take it you also object when police officers or fire fighters receive awards for something they have done in the line of duty.

These soldiers are receiving awards for going above and beyond what is expected of them. I'm proud of the fact that there are people like them in this world!

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RoseRedder · 16/12/2013 21:39

The war in kuwait happened under Thatcher

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Mitchy1nge · 16/12/2013 21:41

what, the gulf war? thatcher? really?

ItsAliveItsElectric · 16/12/2013 21:42

They are doing a job. As a pp has said, they don't get a say in where they are sent. Some, like my brother, signed up as he left school with no qualifications and he has made a career in the army. They have seen some horrific things, he won't even tell me or my mum as it's too traumatic. They don't see themselves as heroes, to them they are doing a job. I'd rather see real people getting recognised than bloody brainless 'celebrities' any day.

Mitchy1nge · 16/12/2013 21:42

am pretty sure she was out of power by then

LtEveDallas · 16/12/2013 21:43

Are you talking about Operation Granby (UK - was Desert Storm to the US) that was Jan 90 I believe?

Why was that a 'made up war' then? Do tell.

AmeliaToppingLovesShopping · 16/12/2013 21:44

This is why we need to fight terrorism!

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/10375633/Malala-Yousafzai-recounts-moment-she-was-shot-in-the-head-by-Taliban.html

Malala Yousafzai is a truly inspirational young woman and it is because of people like her that we need to fight the Taliban. They are unable to protect themselves so we must try instead.

Mitchy1nge · 16/12/2013 21:44

PLEASE tell what sort of wars are not 'made up', what does it mean? that they are factual wars? please explain

LtEveDallas · 16/12/2013 21:44

Typo, Jan 91, not 90. Thought Thatcher was gone by the ?

Salmotrutta · 16/12/2013 21:46

It happened under John Major the first Iraq invasion.

Salmotrutta · 16/12/2013 21:47

I remember being worried that my brother might join up and end up there!

LadyBeagleEyes · 16/12/2013 21:48

They had Amy and joey from I'm celeb presenting.
It's a Sun ceremony for the z list to raise their profile. I doubt the awardees give a shit, they're doing their job but I also think acts of courage shouldn't be celebrated in a ceremony so naff.

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RoseRedder · 16/12/2013 21:48

@halestone Wow not being a good at spelling doesn't make you a bad person. But your OP paints you to be a pretty horrible person

No it does not, I do not believe in glorifying war

Sorry if that upsets you but glorfiying war upsets me

I think the men and women that join up to the armed forces do in with good intentions

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Mitchy1nge · 16/12/2013 21:50

I'm in the miltery, get me out of here, I never signed up for no made up war in a tanning salon in Essex :(

TheNightIsDark · 16/12/2013 21:50

If it highlights to people the jobs which the armed forces carry out and the help that they give then I wouldn't care if they had the orange one handing out awards in the raw if meant people stopped imagining murder hungry gun toting thugs rampaging through Iraq for glory.

Salmotrutta · 16/12/2013 21:51

I doubt that an award programme is actually glorifying war.

It sounds like it's recognising sacrifice/heroism etc.

(I'm not watching though so I'm not sure obviously)

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RoseRedder · 16/12/2013 21:52

sorry Thatcher was the Falklands

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LtEveDallas · 16/12/2013 21:53

Op GRANBY started in Aug/Sep 90. I remember that because my then soldier boyfriend started preparing to go out, and I was in basic training writing 'Blueys' to him. I tried to be posted to his unit, but ended up in. Northern Ireland instead (which turned out to be more bloody dangerous!)

I think the US then 'took over' and the ground war became known as Desert Storm. That would have been 1991.

Thatcher left (or was pushed!) in Nov 90 I think, and Major took over.

AmeliaToppingLovesShopping · 16/12/2013 21:53

And as for the military awards. I cannot begin to imagine what these men and women have to endure whilst they are in places like Afghanistan. Seeing friends killed and not knowing if you will make it home to see your loved ones. I am sure most would prefer an end to the war rather than an award but that doesn't look like it will be ending any time soon.

The argument that they chose to join the Army/Marines ect so they don't deserve to be recognised doesn't really work either. What would happen if there wasn't anybody who was prepared to serve in the armed forces? I guess it would be either no forces at all so open to attack from pretty much anybody who felt like it or National service where all men, and possibly women, of a certain age and health would have to join up for a set amount of time. Neither of those seem a good idea to me.