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To not understand common attitudes to disposable personal hygiene products?

487 replies

hooochycoo · 12/12/2013 13:34

I'm confronted by this again and again on MN, and I confess I don't understand why it's OK to justify using disposable nappies, wet wipes, sanitary protection etc? Why is it OK to add so much rubbish to the world on the justification of convenience when there are alternatives that are still easy but generate less or no waste? Use a flannel, use a moon up, put/hold your baby regularly over a toilet/ potty, use modern easy quick drying cloth nappies. Why's it OK to recoil in horror at the hippyness of such things? But it's ok to continue buying disposable rubbish from huge corporations and throw them into landfill? Apart from an argument of "each to their own", aibu to not get it?

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TheBigJessie · 13/12/2013 13:37

Amber because two weeks of poo is a wheelie bin, in July stinks!

Felt sorry for the bin men.

AmberLeaf · 13/12/2013 13:50

If they are wrapped properly, it shouldn't be that bad.

Should we wring the wee out too?

Gluezilla · 13/12/2013 13:54

Caitlin
The menstrual blood is inside the Mooncup - tip down loo and give it a wipe inside with loo roll -reinsert.
I then wash it properly when I get home.

Seff · 13/12/2013 13:54

I put my own poo in the toilet, why wouldn't I put the poo from a nappy in there? That's what the sewers are for - human waste.

TunipTheUnconquerable · 13/12/2013 13:55

Scraping the big lumps off pooey nappies wouldn't make any difference to the smell....

ziggiestardust · 13/12/2013 13:57

Horses for courses

What I don't get is the point of these threads. People are not going to suddenly switch to mooncups or reuseable nappies out of guilt!

TheBigJessie · 13/12/2013 14:00

I found that a nappy bag+ Tommee Tippee nappy wrapper + binbag didn't quite cut it. Perhaps I have a discerning nose? Or extra-smelly offspring?

I actually do wonder about the wee, but for different reasons. The crystals in Pampers and similar trap the moisture, and then it goes in landfill. Does the reaction reverse itself without an outside catalyst, and rejoin the water cycle ever? Or is the West slowly trapping more and more water in landfill, never to be seen again?!

Will we all die of thirst, in several thousand years shaking our fists at those nappies? Or will purifying salt water simply become more economical? Grin

I need to find a chemist and ask them.

AmberLeaf · 13/12/2013 14:01

I put my own poo in the toilet

Well you don't really put it in there, you do it in there.

why wouldn't I put the poo from a nappy in there?

Because it is silly? Because you'd have to traipse a pooey nappy through the house? Because you don't need to? Because that is not how disposables are intended to be used? Because you wouldn't always have access to a loo anyway?

hooochycoo · 13/12/2013 14:02

caitlin it's a common misconception that you have to go out the cubicle and wash the mooncup in the sink.

you don't.

Wash your hands before you go into to cubicle, then you can take it out, tip it's contents in loo, and then pop it back in. then wash your hands in the sink. If you really need to wash the blood off it before putting back in your bloody vagina, then take a bottle of water in with you and rinse it over the loo.

It's really not big deal. no bigger deal than taking out a tampon, disposing of it and putting another one in.

on hovering babies over toilets , EC or whatever you want to call it, why dismiss things without researching and trying them? why do people just say yuk and weird to things that they know little about? i'll be told i'm rude again if i comment any further, and i'm not going to defend my choices anymore as i feel thoroughly brow beaten, but i do wonder this?

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MostlyLovingLurchers · 13/12/2013 14:03

But I absolutely disagree that on average people boil wash and tumble dry their reusables. That completely twats most of them, making them unusable.

Please provide some evidence other than your opinion. Some reusebles can only be washed at lower temps, but not all. The totsbots I used could be washed up to 60, though I only ever washed them at 40. If you want some evidence that people do not always swish them about in fresh spring water this is from totsbots own website:

‘We have had some very bedraggled little nappies come home to us and it just makes us sad to hear what some people do to them to keep them white or stain free. Repeat after us “Whiter than white simply ain’t right”! The nappies are there to catch waste and over time they may become stained, this is to be accepted and is not a fault.’

Secondly, the advisory board for the first report was pretty biased, let's face it.

The original board had a variety of interests represented. That included the likes of Proctor and Gamble but also The Real Nappy Association, in the name of balance. Since the report has been superseded by the update it is not really relevant (i've already posted the organisations behind the second report).

Thirdly, the environment agency is not wholly centrally funded. It also derives some of its income from sources such as waste handling licenses. Which does kind of create a teensy conflict of interest.

Not really. If people want a licence for a regulated activity they have to pay for it, and it is one mechanism for setting operating conditions that prevent environmental damage. Would you prefer that the tax payer footed the bill for the operation of private companies? Income raised through licensing is a drop in the ocean compared to central funding and flood defence levies, and is often ploughed back into improvements for that particular sector, e.g rod license income goes to river habitat enhancement.

Seff · 13/12/2013 14:03

Most cloth users here aren't trying to make anyone feel guilty. Before I had DD, I didn't know there was a cloth alternative to terries, pins and plastic pants. I'm sure I wasn't the only one. So the point of these threads is to say, do what you want, but be aware that there are more choices.

How many nappy adverts do you see? How many of those are for cloth?

HesterShaw · 13/12/2013 14:04

Quite, ziggie.

IME people make their own decisions about how environmentally responsible to become, or not to become. They definitely do not do it because they have been nagged into it. That's why these threads are so pointless and potentially so utterly counter-productive, because there will be people who think "Fuck off" and go out and do the opposite. My FIL for example, always orders the most endangered, unsustainably-caught fish on the menu when we're out, because he is just daring DH (who works in marine conservation) to say something. Gives me the rage, but it's pointless saying anything.

Gluezilla · 13/12/2013 14:06

ziggie
I didn't know that Mooncups existed 5 years ago !
I read a thread and the rest is history... Grin

Im not a Menstrual martyr /doing it out of guilt - I prefer it to sanitary pads that make me itch /tampons which give me cramps, it suits my lifestyle and Im happy because its cheaper.

hooochycoo · 13/12/2013 14:06

och well, didn't mean to be counter productive. ho hum. live and learn

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TheBigJessie · 13/12/2013 14:08

Tunip don't you detect a difference in the strength of the smell, according to the volume of it?

PrincessScrumpy · 13/12/2013 14:09

Selfish yep okay fine I don't care about your opinion, I have healthy happy babies, I breast fed them and did my best for them but finding time to wash and dry nappies? Well we tried for 2 weeks and I just don't understand them, within minutes dd1 was wet through and every poo leaked so resulted in so much washing I am not convinced that the extra energy I used in my washing machine was really helping the Earth any more than if I'd used disposables. Then I had twins - did I fuck have time to hover them over a toilet - 16 breast feeds a day and a toddler to entertain? As for a mooncup, personally I hate the idea. Can't get my head round it - by all means judge me I really don't care, you don't sound like the kind of person I would want to be friends with anyway.

btw, do you have a tumble dryer and a big house - that's the only way I can see real nappies being an option.

Congratulations on being so perfect.

ziggiestardust · 13/12/2013 14:09

seff the phrases the OP used about people being uneducated etc, certainly don't make me think this is a thread about helping people.

There are hundreds of threads, in hundreds of topics all over MN all about nappy choices, breast feeding, EC, Eco friendly housekeeping tips... Usually lighthearted and well meaning advice from helpful posters.

This thread was not started to help people. It was started because the OP wanted to crow about her Eco credentials.

Seff · 13/12/2013 14:14

Because it is silly?
Confused

Because you'd have to traipse a pooey nappy through the house?
Do you change nappies right next to the bin? And anyway, it's a bit of poo. My daughter regularly shat up her back as a newborn, I had to get over it pretty quickly.

Because you don't need to?
Whether we need to or not is the point we're discussing. I just assumed that everyone put poo in the toilet - clearly I was mistaken!

Because that is not how disposables are intended to be used?
From the pampers website:
Waste removal
As the Pampers bag recommends, you'll want to dispose of the bowel movements in the toilet. Then just roll the diaper into its backsheet, using the tape or fasteners to keep it closed, and dispose of it in your household rubbish.

It seems that's how they are intended to be used.

ziggiestardust · 13/12/2013 14:14

glue that's brilliant, I'm really glad you've found something that works for you. I don't know much about them myself, but as I mentioned before; I'm not sure this thread was started to aid or inform, so I'll go and look on other threads on MN to learn more about them.

I just think things like mooncups are not necessarily about being Eco friendly, or saving money, but about convenience for the user. The fact that it may save money and that it is less wasteful than other products on the market, are a bonus.

Otherwise, we'd all be living in mud huts and be eating what we could produce ourselves Smile

PrincessScrumpy · 13/12/2013 14:14

Just thought the only mum I do know who uses reusable nappies also drives a 4x4 - surely that's counterproductive in terms of environmental issues?

Seff · 13/12/2013 14:15

ziggie, yes the OP was badly worded. I thought you meant what was the point of threads like this, rather than this one specifically. I must admit, I'm not sure what the point of this one was!

hooochycoo · 13/12/2013 14:19

i just don't get why it's ok in this thread for everyone to keep telling me i'm being rude and judgemental, whilst being rude and judgemental back at me.

i've been told i'm abusing my children, don't work, am rich, have a rich husband, have a big house, am lying, am a hypocrite, am a sham, should fuck off, that you wouldn't like me, want to be friends with me in real life etc.

all for saying that the people who have said they 'CAN'T BE ARSED' are lazy and that the people who say that they know nothing about something but don't want to know because they think it's silly or yucky are uneducated

i get it that i am firmly in the minority here, and that some people have medical conditions that make life very difficult for them without disposable products and, others despite research and trying, have found them too difficult to use and therefore make other changes. i get that now yes. thank you. i apologise for not understanding the majority's attitude on this issue. i do now.

but could you stop calling me rude and then being rude. thanks

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Gluezilla · 13/12/2013 14:21

Thanks ziggie Smile

I have spent £20.00 on my Mooncup so I think that's not bad for 5 years of use !

hooochycoo · 13/12/2013 14:22

it was not a thread i started to crow and show off and judge. i was saying i am being unreasonable to not understand why the majority use disposable stuff? i realise now that i was being unreasonable and i now do understand. thanks.

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MrsDeVere · 13/12/2013 14:28

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