To think that PE Teacher Bully Paul Green should be charged with Child abuse and not just given a three year teaching ban

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In the Times today. Paul Green a 39 Year old PE teacher at St Thomas More
Catholic Academy in Stoke On Trent has been struck off the teaching register for three years.

In the 7 years he taught at the school , he regularly told pupils to F* off.
He called one girl a lying tart, big ears , or to one overweight pupil JCB. The 2 worst things he did though were making two pupils kiss each other and , forcing a pupil to hit him , when the pupil struck him he grabbed the pupils wrists and squeezed them laughing at the pain he inflicted on the pupil.

It is said that every pupil feared his lessons, and dreaded upsetting him.
I just hope that those small 12 year old boys/girls who he tormented , torment him when they become 25 or so and see him in the street.

This is so reminiscent of what happened to me in the 1970s, it caused me to do something i regret today (Pushing the P.E Teacher in the pond) . The point being this kind of bullying be it in school or the workplace forces people/kids to deal with it in the only way they can.

Paul Green should be going to jail, and should be banned from ever working with children again. The pupils may in public laugh about him , but the truth is he has traumatised them.

How did he get away with it for so long!

I'm amazed he got away with it so long. Other teachers would have been aware of his bullying - how apathetic and wicked to turn a blind eye. I'm sure some children must have told their parents - wonder what happened with this? I agree, he should be in jail.

I'm not. Lots of people seem to just accept this. And others are of the 'won't do them any harm' 'kids need a firm hand' 'bring back corporal punishment, sort the country out' line of thinking. My mother worked with a PE teacher bully. Not as bad as Green, but still delivering slaps, humiliating children and leering at the girls. He got away with it until retirement a few years ago and plenty of people seemed to like having a school 'enforcer'.

He sounds awful but I have to ask - Why do you regret pushing the PE teacher in the pond? Sounds like an excellent plan.

What is it that makes bullies become PE teachers? When my Mum was doing her teacher training (in her late 30s/early 40s) she said that there was a small bunch of men who used to sit at the back of each class generally behaving like teenagers. They were all specialising in PE. She said they were utter wankers and that any male teacher she worked with after qualifying who was a prick turned out to be a PE specialist. She reckons you can spot them a mile off!

Apologies to any nice PE teachers reading - I know you're out there because DD is in Y7 and utterly adores her PE teacher. Mine was a complete bitch to me for three years.

5Foot5. By pushing the teacher in the pond, i effectively finished my educational career.

I have never been in a classroom or academic environment, since March 1978
leaving without taking my CSEs.

95% of kids at my (STAFFORDSHIRE COMPREHENSIVE) did CSEs many pupils left like me without taking any exams.

I have had terrible experiences of education personally and though my youngest DD IQ (138) but emotional problems which i have documented on other threads.
I have never told that story to either DD. DD1 would be disgusted- DD2 has probably felt like doing something similar in the past.

My husband is a PE teacher and he is lovely as are all his colleagues, and as were all my PE teachers back in the Dark Ages

I agree that Paul Green should be banned from working with children ever again. The article in Times Online said that he can apply to have his ban lifted after three years. THREE YEARS FFS! He assaulted children!

It was such a grotesque abuse of power on his part. What a nasty piece of work he is.

Oh and to answer the OP's question: yes, I do think that Paul Green should be charged with battery and whatever else is appropriate. Slapping children in the face?? That's battery. Forcing them to kiss - that's sexual assault surely. What a bastard.

Did this man commit these crimes in the 70's or more recently?

He committed the offences from 2004-2011 Howling Trap.

He was suspended by the school in 2011.

Seven years before they stopped him

There were a couple of teachers in the news recently banned from teaching for 2 years. They had sex with their students

I can think of one teacher banned for life, he was in the BNP.

As vile as the BNP is , which is worse ?

Being a member of a political organisation/Party.

Having sex with a pupil/Student.

I think its brilliant that you shoved a deserving teacher into a pond.

Ha. With apologies to mrs McEnroe ( and I'm sure yr husband is lovely) I've come across more bullying type PE teachers than the other way round. It's the only subject where it's somehow acceptable to mock and dislike the pupils who don't excel in your subject area. Eg I was shit at maths. I mean, really shit. But my teacher supported and helped me through the exams and was delighted when I got a b. I was also shit at pe. The teachers marked me down for having a bad 'attitude', doled out humiliation and physical punishment (not whacking us, but eg if you didn't manage to do something in class they'd make you do 20 press-ups in front of the class. Great way to encourage unfit kids to enjoy getting fit, right?), shouted and let the 'cool' kids pick teams and then every frigging week the unpopular kids would be left till last and assigned a team in sneering tones by the teacher (and no, I wasn't one of them so this isn't sour grapes - you know exactly the kind of kids I mean, as and adult I know realise they had serious problems and a shit start in life, but the pe teachers - who were adults and would have known more about the kind of backgrounds these poor kids were coming from - did nothing to help but enjoyed dragging out the whole sorry charade, basically providing a fresh opportunity for the popular kids to shit on the unpopular 'weird' (as they saw it) kids.

I don't remember a single pe teacher at primary or secondary taking me aside and saying, hey, monkeygirl, you look like you could do with some help, is there anything we could do to help you get better at this? If someone had shown me how to catch a ball or some simple running techniques I'd have been super keen to get the help. But you were either shouted at or ignored (or praised if you were sporty, but I never was!). If English teachers ignored kids who couldn't read, or French teachers did nothing to help kids who weren't good at languages then there would be uproar. (My experience of teachers in all other subjects has been that they are all very very keen and go to every effort to bring a love of their subjec to even the least able kids.) But in my day non-sporty kids were seen by the pe teachers as at best an irritation, because we 'weren't trying'.

Yep, the above all happened in the 80s but it doesn't sound like things are any different now!

Morry - so sorry to hear your education was effectively stolen from you. I sincerely hope you get to enjoy learning for its own sake, on your own terms, now or in the future. Then you've won, not them.

I agree he should be banned from teaching for life. If he has the 3 year ban lifted will any school accept him? Will he have to disclose the information on interview?
I want to know why so many (but not all) PE teachers are such horrible bullies. All of mine in secondary were vile.

This sounds like the kind of P.E. 'teaching' we were subjected to in the 1980's. Also at a Staffordshire comprehensive, coincidentally!

The most memorable incidences included;

Female PE teacher telling a girl to "lose the blubber, you useless fat lump".

Male PE teacher (head of PE), hitting a boy around the head (happened on two separate occasions).

Female PE teacher, when selecting pupils to be goalkeeper in hockey saying "put her in goal, she's so fat, nothing will get around her".

And there are more.....

And this is the reason I skived (sp) off as many PE/games lessons as I possibly could. The teachers were bullies, plain and simple.

And I totally agree with monkeymamma - I was useless at maths & physics, but was never bullied or humiliated by the teachers!

It's the only subject where it's somehow acceptable to mock and dislike the pupils who don't excel in your subject area

Agree.

He should have been banned for life and prosecuted for assault [maybe he will face charges in the future?]

That said, how easy will it be for him to get a teaching position after this and with that on his record?

Thanks, Santas and Amberleaf! Given all the recent headlines about obesity epidemic etc I think pe teachers should be under more pressure than ever to be kind and encouraging to kids who aren't good at sport... It was a revelation when I grew up and eventually joined a gym, and realised no one there was going to mock me, and that I might even - gasp! - enjoy getting fit :-)

I was humiliated by a Science teacher and by an Art teacher at the comprehensive i went to for three years.

Despite only having sporting ability (County 200 Metre runner, Hockey player)
i never represented that school once at sport. The P.E teachers were too busy and uninterested to ask about the only things i could shine in . They were just about shouting and calling me names because i could not throw a Javelin , it would never have crossed their mind that i could have excelled at other sports. They just made their mind up based on 1 thing, and because i was silent at school due to humiliation suffered at the hands of other teachers i was ignored, and my ability unused.

There are two points to this, a good PE teacher is worth their weight in gold. They can help pupils who struggle academically but are good at sport gain confidence. This confidence gained will surely benefit them academically.

Many PE teachers should be able to see that because one pupil can not run very well, does not mean they can't be good at other sports.

Surely a good PE teacher can get the same sense of achievement, from a overweight pupil achieving what was impossible when they started ,as a English teacher could from a struggling pupil achieving a C.

OK, cards on the table, I speak as one who hated PE and PE teachers (70s, early 80s) and in fact mostly bunked off from the age of 12 - it took me till then to realise that the PE teachers in my school regarded the non-sporty kids as a distraction and waste of time at best, and would really rather we weren't there. I think that's why they were so vicious when given the opportunity - they resented having to spend time and energy on kids like me that they regarded as no-hopers. The best thing about them, as I discovered, was that if I absented myself they would turn a blind eye and write hilarious bogus reports at the end of terms. So I'm no lover of PE teachers as a species.

However, I'd want to keep an open mind about this case. There must be more to it than the headlines we're being given here - if not, he'd be up on assault charges. As it is he faces three years stripped of his livelihood, and probably more as the case will stay on his record, plus his name in the papers and his reputation (maybe rightly, maybe wrongly) in shreds. If he really assaulted pupils then I hope they throw the book at him. If he hasn't been proved guilty of (or even charged with) a criminal offence, then I wouldn't want to make premature judgements.

let the 'cool' kids pick teams and then every frigging week the unpopular kids would be left till last and assigned a team in sneering tones by the teacher

Oh monkeymamma ours had a subtle twist on that particular brand of humiliation.

When we got to 5th year they decide we should learn "proper" dancing, e.g. waltzes, two-step - anything that required a partner. They arranged mixed lessons in the gym with all the boys sat on one side and all the girls on the other. Male and female PE teacher would demonstrate the steps and then the boys were instructed to go across and ask a girl to dance. This led to all the boys clustered around a few popular and pretty girls while the rest of us had to sit and look like we didn't mind. Eventually most people would reluctantly pair up but there would always be a handful of the less-favoured girls still sitting down and the socially inept boys refusing to approach them. The male PE teacher would then physically force each of those boys to go up to a girl and ask her to dance while the rest of the class looked on. Naturally the girl was not allowed to refuse.

I can remember seriously considering how easy it would be to twist my ankle or something on the stairs to get out of PE and avoid this torture!

I agree with you

but hopefully - surely - nobody will give him a teaching job again?

These stories seem implausible, until you think back and remember your own childhood. I think I met the best and the worst of humanity among the teachers I had.

YANBU. Maybe some of the kids will bring retrospective actions against him?