To think the 'community shop' thing is going to get abused by some.

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For people who dont know there is a food bank kind of thing been set up in Barnsley where shops give food and it is sold at like 70% off. This is only for people on benefits from what i can gather, where they can get a loaf of bread for 20p and other things free. In the ideal world this would be a brilliant source of food for people in need but i cant help thinking there are people out there who wont use this as its intended purpose and spend their benefits on non essentials and think its ok because theres always things like food banks etc to fall back on. I also find ita bit of a pisstake that its only for people on benecits when there are a large number of people in this country who work and are just as poor.

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cantheyseemeTue 10-Dec-13 20:04:35

It doesnt keep me awake at night but it doesnt sit well that yet again tax payers miss out, in regards to ATOS being charletons... they do a job and have to weadle out the genuine from the not so genuine. Like i say, used in the right way its a good idea.

Yes thats right They are only following orders

I think it's one of the best ideas I ever heard.

This may surprise you but most people don't actually want to go to a food bank to feed their family. They actually do want to be able to buy it themselves. This is a way they can do that. Plus it sorts out the ridiculous food waste we have in this country (throwing things away because the label isn't 'perfect' for example).

I honestly think this is a wonderful idea. I hope this starts nationally.

Those ipads and phones would have been bought while they were in employment.

Golly gosh anyone on benefits whose relatives are planning on buying them one for Xmas better not bother lest they get judged.

Still it makes a change from "flatscreen telly rage" i suppose.

ATOS are dangerous and interestingly have had their licence to practice removed in a number of American states. Their job appears to be to cut the number of claimants by any means necessary, health issues are little understood nor cared about.

A bit of a black market is a good thing IMO.

People are far too obedient these days.

Love the misquoting here i never said ATOS do a good job. And as for assuming I am naive..... Besides when people get turned down by ATOS they can appeal and if still not successful can just make a whole new claim. Absolutely irrelevant to this thread but there you go.

canthey making a new claim or appealing is incredibly stressful and takes a long time and in the mean time the person is getting less money.

There are numerous case studies showing the negative impact on health that stress coupled with the loss of extra assistance that they can no longer pay for has on people. Some have even died. If Atos genuinely determined the genuine from the non genuine you may have a point about them being a good thing however since all they do is punish the genuinely needy then they are very much the opposite of a good thing.

Just a point of information before I'm accused of being a self serving scrounger. I'm not personally a dla claimant nor are any of my close family. I've just witnessed the after affects of an atos assessment from the viewpoint of a hcp too many times.

I never said ATOS do a good job but i think they are needed, or if not them another organisation. I understand a lot of people are in genuine need but as with the community shop, there will be those less in need trying to get what they can.

Yes cantheyseeme, ATOS, an organisation who class terminally ill people as fit to work and who have driven disabled people to commit suicide, are totally necessary Unless of course you like picking off the disabled one by one. FFS do you even know how many hoops people have to jump through to get the benefits they are entitled to? Do you know how exhausting it is? Go back to your Daily Mail.

Schemes like this are for everyone on a low income including the working poor - and most people in receipt of means-tested benefits including housing benefit are working, just not making enough. I think you need to do some actual research on benefits and get your facts straight before talking about Good Poor People and Bad Poor People.

I really really wish people would actually read my messages properly before posting

And to add, i absolutely love picking on disabled people one by one. There are some really good points being made on here that i hadnt thought about, so thankyou :)

I am reading your messages properly, you just aren't understanding that ATOS ruins people's lives and are responsible for the death of 11000 disabled people. Why are you OK with that? Assessing disabled people for disability benefits should be wholly the responsibility of the government via the DWP and NHS, it should not be a profit-making exercise.

Again, get your facts straight before demonizing those on benefits.

11000 dead because of ATOS. Just think about that. Not out of pocket and able to appeal, but dead.

It's like playing idiot bingo here.

"taxpayers money"
"benefit scroungers"
"all people on benefits have massive tvs"

blah blah blah

You are completely losing sight of the thread as a whole. Quote me where i said im ok with this please! I do tend to agree that the way the decisions are made need to be changed. What I shall spend my day doing is researching ATOS case studies and when I am a little less naive and know a bit more about this big bad world I will come back and thrash it out with you, does that suit?

You've said that ATOS are needed. They're not. You also clearly don't understand the impact of ATOS' incorrect assessments if your attitude is 'oh well they can appeal'. Clearly, the 11000 who have died because of ATOS cannot.

I'm not losing sight of the thread as a whole because it's all part of the culture of blaming the poor for their own poverty. It's Victorian deserving poor and undeserving poor attitudes. You also clearly don't know very much about poverty and benefits in the UK if you think that everyone on benefits is unemployed, as others have pointed out most people in receipt of means-tested benefits such as Housing Benefit are in work. Again, you need to get your facts straight about benefits and poverty in general before commenting. Attitudes such as those in your OP are really harmful.

I know nothing about anything. You are correct.

That's not what I'm saying I'm saying to not perpetuate harmful stereotypes and that's pretty easy to ascertain from my posts. Please point out where I said you know nothing about anything. I said that you don't know much about the benefits system, which if you think all people on benefits are unemployed you don't, please explain how the benefits system = everything. Don't be such a twat. Perhaps give a damn about people dying because of attitudes like yours instead.

I didnt bring up anything about benefits meaning unemployed, when i said about being able to appeal it was meant as a point that they will still be recieving an income.

"Atos Do do a good job". Your words OP. Where the hell were you misquoated? Oh and you can't directly appeal to DWP now neither. You know. Because everyone who's needed them(IB) are just numbers on a system that needs to lower its numbers by any means possible. Also, you're wrong, of course they are relevant to this thread, explaining how sanctions from the JSA and a branch of an IT company who have been allowed to practice as a 'medical' company have put many people in this position to need foodbanks or supermarket scraps should I call them. Also I work in a FoodBank, it may suprise you to know but our clientele isn't 'just' people on benefits. Judge if you are earning £8 less a week than someone on benefits then you are being screwed over by your employer not the British public.

I said "They do a job" !!!

You said that it was a pisstake because there are people who work that are poor so it shouldn't just be for people on benefits.

People simply want to point out (to others who think like this too) that there are lots and lots of people on benefits who do work. The scroungers and scumbags that you can read about in the sun and the daily mail are the tiniest tiniest minority. The opposite of the majority of politicians who scammed millions of taxpayers money in expenses.

I'm not saying that there won't be anyone who abuses the system. Our greedy, money focussed society means there will always be people wanting more than their fair share, but the millions of people it will help should not be left to starve because of the actions of a few.

Supermarket scraps sums it up well. It actually makes me feel worse that we're willing to give the "poor people" food that we wouldn't want to serve to the "rich people".

BTW, I don't agree with you, but I think claiming you don't care about people dying is a little unfair.

There are working poor who are entitled to nothing also, not one penny. This is my point, as a whole its a good idea but the MINORITY will give it a shitty reputation!

I should be shocked that people are moaning about this.But sadly I'm not.

I mean it's not like the mighty taxpayer ever takes the piss.