To think that a pupil premium should be paid for children who live in home where none of the parents have qualifications

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I think that the education of the parents has a more significant outcome on a child's attainment than income. (Especially as many working poor don't have much more money than those on benefits.)

I feel that children who live in households where no adult has five GCSEs or equivalent should get extra support at school. Often these families aren't entitled to benefits because the parents do work so currently don't get the pupil premium.

It is harder for uneducated parents to support their children with homework than someone with a degree. Better eduated mothers are better at getting their children's needs met as they are often more articulate. For example making sure that statemented child gets what they are legally entitled to. (Getting a child assesed by an ed pych so that the child's dyslexia is spotted.)

Unskilled people often do physically hard work for very long hours for very little money. I believe that a child with unskilled working parents is at a major disadvantage as their parents are time poor as well as cash poor.

Why? Please explain Cold. Are you advocating playing the system?

Cold I'm just trying to get to grips with how the PP actually works in schools and responding to some of what you and others have said. I am disturbed by some of it, as my posts probably indicate, however this is not intended as 'pot shots' to you personally.

We all care deeply, that is why we bother to post.

The point I was attempting to make, in the post you quoted, is that, as I see it there is nothing indicative in the accountability, as to how individuals from the target group have actually personally benefitted from the funding. They might have achieved well without receiving any extra help at all. This makes is what makes the benefit of interventions for the target group unclear and distorts need since the assumption from anyone reading the figures in that this group have benefitted from PP, when they might not have.

Capsicum- do you think, before this goes any further, that you could explain why you get such a kick out of being deliberately obtuse? U

I don't Curlew. Maybe it is just the way my brain works, I type as I think.

I wish I could get my points across more clearly.

Capsicum- reading the thread and believing what people say would be a good idea, maybe?

Pleased to hear it Cold. However you must understand that there are people out there who have encountered something very different.

Maybe I have too many warning bells, but some of the rhetoric on the subject is only too familiar to me and from my own experience was not particularly sincere.

However I should not make assumptions, so I apologise if appeared to be critiquing you personally. Difficult experiences can make a person somewhat warrior like at times.

Hey shouldn't be too sorry Cold. The main issues have been resolved now and there will be a happy ending.

Oh. I'm not very good at gushy...never have been...ahem...We do have common ground.

Shakes hands.

cheers! Have some .

This has to be the nicest ending to a heated thread I have ever seen on MN.