.. to be shocked at the hardcore nature of the hits when you google porn

[ElenorRigby]

Try it, type porn into google.

I had no idea you could access porn so easily, there's tons of it and its really nasty too.

Seriously I thought you had to pay and download this stuff!

It's awful. How on earth can we protect children's innocence. Even if you block it on your devices they probably have friends whose parents are as naive as me

ElenorRigby I am not willing to answer any more PMs, say what you have to in public please.

friday16 there are campaigns against internet porn, there are charities working tirelessly to smash organised rings in these countries. I did work for one called 3AngelsNepal, they rescue young girls trafficked from Nepal to work in the sex industry in India.

It may seem hopeless but to sit back and do nothing is not acceptable in my eyes.

Network level filters can be turned off, yes, but there are a great many people out there who won't know how to do this because as the OP has demonstrated, not many people are tech savvy. It's these people who are exposing their kids to the most danger because they have no idea what is online and are unwittingly exposing their children to many dangers. It's not a definitive answer but do you know what? It's better than nothing - again.

What can be done is to educate parents to the dangers.

Help crack down on the porn industry at the source. Stop the trafficking of young girls. Cut the funding for the industry (cue cynical cackles). Make it easier for people to report inappropriate content (do you know how to report a nasty image?). Get tougher on porn companies who break the rules, who target children.

There are things that can be done, little things yet that can be overruled by a canny 8 year old, but again I am of the opinion that something is better than nothing and whilst it might not stop the canny 8 year old accessing porn, it might stop the non-savvy 8 year olds being exposed to it.

If you're asking AIBU to think porn should not be so readily available to children and the content should not be so misoginisic and extreme then you are of course right. If you are asking whether YABU to be surprised that porn is so readily available then YABU - it is a well known fact and should surprise no adult.

I did work for one called 3AngelsNepal, they rescue young girls trafficked from Nepal to work in the sex industry in India.

Red herring. The porn industry's backbone is legal, paid work by women in American and Eastern Europe. Linking it to criminal trafficking helps no-one, because there's absolutely no evidence that, outside a few wild edge cases on the dark net, the porn industry has anything to do with trafficking, coercion (other than "I'll pay you more money to fuck on camera than you can make waiting tables for the same time", which is distasteful but hardly illegal). There are no "organised rings" in the production of porn, and if there there, do you not think that the US Federal Marshalls would kick down the doors of the above-ground companies shipping it? Much of the stuff is made by companies in California, who pay their taxes and file their accounts. If you think that they're operating an illegal trade in trafficked third-world women then produce some evidence.

Network level filters can be turned off, yes

Google Safesearch isn't a network level filter, or anything like one.

there are a great many people out there who won't know how to do this because as the OP has demonstrated, not many people are tech savvy

It doesn't matter if they're tech savvy, it's whether their thirteen year old son is tech savvy. Do you want to put bets on them knowing how to turn them off?

Stop the trafficking of young girls.

If you have the slightest evidence that any website available through Google, or indeed through the porn sites that Google index, are hosting images showing trafficked girls, then go to the police. There are good international arrangements, and case would be pursued and prosecutions brought. So far there has been no evidence that such cases exist. Rather like "snuff movies" (whatever happened to them?) the myth makes for a better argument than the reality.

Most porn is produced using (a) naive young women who would like a job in the film industry or in modelling, and are progressively lured into seamier and seamier activities in the hope they'll end up making it big (b) naive and poor women who see five hundred bucks for fucking on camera as five hundred bucks (c) naive and emotionally exploited women who permit their boyfriends to involve them in porn because they really, really love them and (d) hard-nosed and cynical women who have decided that they get more money for fucking on camera than off camera. I don't say any of these are good things but they are with the possible exception of (c) impossible to criminalise and in all cases not remotely connected with trafficking.

If you could cause all porn that was the product of illegal acts to disappear tomorrow morning, it would account for a homeopathic dilution of the porn that is in circulation. If trafficking and direct exploitation is happening, it needs to be tackled. But the porn industry would see it as a threat to its business model (why do illegal shit that will see you in jail when it accounts for 0.0001% of your output?) and if your intent is to reduce the amount of porn that is circulating, it wouldn't make the slightest difference.

friday your attitude is very negative. Do you think we should just give up then an accept that porn is rife and allow our children to be influenced by it? Shall we halt all the campaigns?

Sex brothels in which young girls are abused may not be legal as such but they exist and they produce videos, which are passed around. With amateur porn you can't prove that it's not consensual but much of it is produced without their knowledge. Then you have revenge porn and I don't see that particular organised ring being prosecuted.

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And having worked with this charity, I know that it's not a myth. Some of the girls taken from Nepal have ended up in the porn industry, the LEGAL porn industry. They have been drugged and beaten, told their families won't take them back. The charity have tried prosecution but the girls are too scared to speak out, they fear for their lives and for their families. There isn't enough evidence to make a case. The girls are passed from one to another and the charity loses contact. Some videos are sold, some are available online if you search, but to bring about a case for prosecution is almost impossible.

It's not a myth.

It's hard to prosecute revenge porn as a crime in the US

Friday, what did you do about your own children when you faced going through this?
Shrug and let them explore freely?
Have some amazing high-tech barrier that we couldn't possibly understand?
What's the answer?

porn and sex trafficking

Sex brothels in which young girls are abused may not be legal as such but they exist and they produce videos, which are passed around.

And indexed on Google? And available to people outside the magic circle? Evidence, please. Such material (assuming by "young" you mean "under the age of consent") is straightforwardly illegal to possess, host or transmit in almost every jurisdiction, and is in most cases possession is extraditable as well. If it's out there on the public internet, where are the prosecutions? Since Op Ore (which I think everyone with more than a passing interest will realise was not the police's finest moment) all child porn prosecutions have been of organised rings trading material amongst themselves, not producing it to put it up publicly.

With amateur porn you can't prove that it's not consensual but much of it is produced without their knowledge.

In significant quantities? Distributed without their knowledge, maybe. But are you seriously saying there is a significant amount of porn on indexed porn sites which is either film evidence of rape or is taken using concealed cameras?

Then you have revenge porn

If you film yourself, or allow yourself to be filmed, having sex, then you are taking a risk. Moral: don't film yourself having sex, especially if you think your partner is a bit of a tool.

Yes, I'd like to know that too friday, since you seem so adament that we cannot do anything about it and that the porn industry is squeaky clean, what do you suggest?

Turn off all filters, dump safesearch for being a waste of time and embrace porn?

Have you looked at the links? I presume not.

There is your evidence.

However, the idea that it can be locked against someone who wants to turn it off is preposterous

Er, no it isn't. If you have a Google account you can lock the SafeSearch setting. Other users of your computer can't change it unless they know the password to your Google account. Instructions are here.

Oh for fuck's sake. WingNutDaily as evidence? Seriously?

Other things they've published: 9/11 is God's punishment for the depravity of the USA. Barak Obama is a Muslim who wasn't born in the USA and is an illegal president (they were behind the court cases about his birth certificate). Is that seriously the best you can do? What does Chuck Norris think about it?

Search engines originally claimed that blocking online porn could not and should not be done but of course it can be done and they have done so.

You are naive if you think that everything you search for on a mainstream search engine is legal. Of course it isn't!

You don't think the porn industry has anything to do with sex trafficking? I find that preposterous actually.

Do you work for a porn company? I note you aren't answering our questions.

You want more evidence? here

and here

Google it why don't you? Save me the effort.

You may want to ask mumsnet to delete this thread Elenor.

Why? I think this is a really useful thread. It's scary that there are actual parents out there of school age children who have absolutely no idea how easily available disgusting stuff is found on the internet.
Type words into google with no search settings, and anything could come up.
Surprised that people don't know that what you google is what you get, but I appreciate that sentence isn't very helpful.
I think the thread should stand, so it opens people's eyes to how easy it is for kids to access all sorts of stuff.
If you don't know about safe search settings and think kids are fine released onto the internet unsupervised, and that google will just throw up nice results if they decide to innocently google things, you need to WAKE UP AND CLUE UP.
Otherwise you shouldn't be letting your kids on at all if you don't understand the internet,
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's true.
I think they should even sticky this thread in my humble opinion!

Er, no it isn't. If you have a Google account you can lock the SafeSearch setting

^^ This. As said, if you've got a google account, you lock it from your account. So the kids wouldn't be able to turn it off.

UK sex trafficking

Other users of your computer can't change it unless they know the password to your Google account.

Seriously?

Fresh copy of Chrome, Google's latest bits.

Sign in as me.

Turn on Safesearch lock.

Click "File".

Select "Incognito Mode".

Go to www.google.com.

Type porn.

Up pops pornhub, with all its videos.

Two extra clicks. And it doesn't go into history, so mummy and daddy can't see what I was doing, either. That was effective.

The story you cite on sex trafficking makes no mention of porn. No-one is denying that there is some trafficking, although the level is lower than has been claimed it's certainly worryingly high. But that relates to the legal porn industry because...?