To think children need to learn to wait their turn?

[BerniceBroadside]

Took dc to a family fun day. Just me as oh working, before anyone says why didn't I double queue. (I wouldn't anyway.)

Queued for face painting. Not too far from the front when two women ahead of me called over five children from the craft table who duly jumped in the queue. Had to wait another 20 minutes. Their father was queuing for them in the santa's grotto queue.

Went to watch the show. Has missed out earlier as it was full so got their early. After they let us in the marquee went straight to front row. Man in front refused to let us sit down as he was saving seats. When to sit in empty seats in row behind, woman was saving seats. Ended up at the back as people had piled in behind us. Called them a bunch of selfish bastards, appreciate was being unreasonable in doing so. I should have just sat down, but dc didn't want to do so as adults had said no.

Queued to see Santa. Bloody woman rang her oh to bring the kids over when near the front. Several other children with an adult also had to shove past to meet their other parent near the front. Said wasn't on, got told wasn't fair to make kids queue for ages. Complained to one if the people running it who did not care a jot.

None were tiny tots and I'd guess all but one were older than dc.

Appreciate some children may be unable to queue due to disabilities, but most can. I dislike queuing, but surely waiting your turn is a skill children need to learn?

And, to rub salt into the wound, dc didn't have time to do craft so now I've had to get the bloody glitter out at home. Glitter! Fucking glitter! Bastards.

Haha Commander - kind of hard when the seats are all full of bags and coats.

Only an idiot saves a seat at a show without making said seat un-sittable in!

i think calling people " a bunch of selfish bastards " is unreasonable, especially as there were children around.

I hate this. It is the same as when you get to a half empty checkout, you are away to start putting up your shopping when someone pushes in front to where their partner is and empties their full basket/trolley on the belt.

So let me see if I understand this. The two women had been queuing just like everyone else and when they were near the front they called the DC over? How exactly did that add 20 minutes to the queuing time? The women were just queuing for their DC so even if the kids had been in line, it would have taken the same amount of time, no?

We did it often LittleBairn - at a Mickey meet and greet I was standing speaking to a staff member for 20 minutes in the queue who said nothing when df and dc joined me!

It seemed widely accepted when we were there.

Keeping, problem with the seats was that there weren't tickets, like in a cinema, just people pouring in behind us, and unlike in a cafe there wasn't going to be a turn over of seats.

Mind you, the worst pushing in ever has to have been at disneyland paris. The sheer numbers of people needing to go ahead to meet a friend was astonishing. Perhaps we were there at the same time?

Cogsworth, if I'd seen another five kids I'd have thought sod that, we'll try later and done another activity with a shorter queue first. Maybe craft, since those five kids wouldn't have been there.

keeping was this in Paris rather than Florida?

Disneyland Paris is a bit laxer than Disneyworld. They have very strict rules on saving places and pushing in can get you ejected from the park. They have recently tightened up the rules on SN and now instead of getting to the front straightaway they offer you a quiet place to wait and then limit the number of guests who can accompany you. The trouble was that their efforts to accommodate SN guests were being much abused by all and sundry. You may have read in the press that some disabled people were offering for a large fee to accompany families to the parks in order to jump the queues. The desperation of some people not to play fair is mind-boggling.

I can see how the face painting was misleading, but otherwise I think YABU. Next time go with a friend or rellie so you can do the same

Creamy, luckily their children weren't around as they weren't in the queue. And I didn't shout it out. Even bat eared dc didn't hear. Although I admit I should have just stuck to calling them jolly selfish people.

laine I've heard about the SN passes being badly abused too. I'm glad they have tightened the rules that way people with genuine SN are able to get on the rides and meet and greets quicker.

At Disney world you would be bellowed at by staff and guests for saving seats. They consider it a safety concern too.

Hermione, I have no desire to double queue.

Cogsworth, if I'd seen another five kids I'd have thought sod that, we'll try later and done another activity with a shorter queue first

I might have thought the same thing but the two women were queuing for the kids, no? It didn't make the queue bigger as I highly doubt the women wanted their faces painted too, it just meant different people took their place.

I don't know if it's because I've just woke up from a long nap, but I also can't see what the big deal is with saving seats neither. I thought that was a normal thing to do. I'm also hoping you didn't call them selfish bastards out loud.

The issue with Disney is the US was that they cannot legally ask for proof of disability so people could (and did) rock up and say they needed a pass because they were unable to queue.

Or they'd take granny in her wheelchair, use her pass to skip the queue and collect her on the way out.

Cogsworth, when we joined the queue it wasn't clear that the women were there without kids as people weren't standing in a nice orderly queue. I had a quick glance at the number of kids.

YANBU OP

But if there is such a thing as karma, it's going to bite them on the arse when they're left to deal with stroppy, impatient teenagers who think it's the end of the world if their dinner is late...or they can't instantly have what they ask for.

I'd sooner deal with small impatient kids in a queue now, than be left with a monster I'd created in the future.

It still shouldn't have added 20 minutes to your queuing time. That is very odd.

we once went to port aventura in spain, it seems queueing is a british art form and the rest of europe certainly have never heard of it, I have never seen so many rude and pushy children in my life,the parents didnt queue there was no need for them to when their childrens just barged through we have never been back because of this reason.

If I saw a row of empty seats I'd have sat in them with my children without a second thought.

If someone said they were being "saved" I'd have continued to sit in them.

Chessington has signs explicitly saying you must not do this; you can't save spaces for people coming later, or let people push in to "meet their friends". I have seen people pulled out of queues in busy times for trying it!

Cogsworth, I saw there were x number of kids and number of staff, guessed it would take about 5 mins a kid. Didn't count the missing five because they weren't there. They then join the queue and it took about an extra 20 mins than I had calculated. If I'd known I had to take them into account I wouldn't have joined the queue at that point.

Does that make sense? God I'm confusing myself now.

Bernice that makes perfect sense, not sure why Cogsworth can't see that 5 children x 4 minutes = 20. 5 children who weren't already in the queue, so not "replacing" adults. It's pretty clear

KeepingupwiththeJonses I would have handed your belongings to you or your DH with a smile and sat down with my DD. And I wouldn't have given a flying fuck what you thought. As a LP, I don't have the luxury of being selfish and rude.

I would agree though that it is a British thing. On holiday, we queued in the hot sun to get into St Mark's in Venice. For ages, but I think there is no "good" time to go. Just as we were snaking into the building, some American "man" appeared from nowhere, just in front of me, and beckoned his wife and, I think, grandson. I did tell him that some of us had queued, I was sorry if he thought he didn't need to, but we were going in before them.

Unfortunately they came in behind us, still jumping in in front of the hundreds queuing. Twats. DD asked me why they were pushing in, and I may have called them rude, ignorant gits.

it would annoy me as well and that seat saving would make me cross. remember in the USA going to Disney and queuing with my ds who was only about 10 for a ride for 45 mins which was 2 at a time then a whole load of teenagers coming to the front with one person waiting. I don't agree with it either and YANBU.

This was a family fun day not Disney. Sounds badly organised and chaotic as these things often are with not much fun to be had. YANBU but lesson learned and perhaps give it a miss in future or suggest ticketed time slots to the organiser.