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To expect adult children to contribute?

89 replies

maparole · 24/11/2013 14:39

This is completely academic now, because I have left my ex, but there was an issue which always caused rows and I still ponder on whether I was justified.

Ex had three grown sons - the youngest already 18 when I met him. We lived abroad, so we got into the routine of all three coming to stay for a week or so in the summer, sometimes with girlfriends as well. This was always good fun but obviously entailed a lot of extra work for me and a massive extra cost.

We ran a business together and for the first few years we were doing well, the DSSs were still studying, etc, and the expense of these visits were never an issue to me. However, latterly we were VERY short of money, DSSs were all grown men with excellent jobs and I began to feel that they should be expected to chip in for groceries, petrol, etc, and not simply expect us to fund an all-in holiday for them all every year.

It didn't help that our own DS's birthday is at the same time and I was always struggling to afford his presents (always modest anyway) and party. The cost of the three to six extra people meant we would spend in a week what would normally do for a month.

Whenever I tried to broach this with ex (who never shopped or took any responsibility for finances), he would just fly into a rage and accuse me of "hating" his sons or trying to stop him seeing them. To me, it is simply common good manners to offer a contribution if you stay in someone else's home ... even a small token gift or the offer to take us out for a meal would have shown some appreciation.

Odd that this one small problem in a relationship fraught with huge problems should continue to niggle me, but I'd love to have some independent views on it.

OP posts:
Southeastdweller · 24/11/2013 16:07

YADNBU.

I'm shocked people are saying that these children as adults with good jobs shouldn't have contributed anything. It is, as others have said, basic good manners to help out in some way, regardless of whether you're related or not.

I bet they were laughing all the way home on the flight after visiting you and your ex sounds like a total prat for not putting his foot down.

snooter · 24/11/2013 16:10

Good manners to at least offer a contribution in some way.
YANBU

CreamyCooler · 24/11/2013 16:10

If my 25 year old ds stayed with me i would not not even consider him paying towards the food bill.

ICameOnTheJitney · 24/11/2013 16:10

We always contribute to my Mum's household when we visit....we bring food, wine etc and we offer to buy incidentals as well. Why wouldn't we? She's not the font of all pleasure ffs!

frogspoon · 24/11/2013 16:14

I wouldn't expect them to contribute to expenses if they were guests for just a week, but I would expect them to bring a gift/ wine and take you out for dinner to thank you. Just good manners.

But YABU to bring it up after you are already separated.

gobbynorthernbird · 24/11/2013 16:16

YABsooooU. It isn't a holiday, it's a visit to family. My DF lives abroad, but believe me I begrudge going. Not seeing him, but the expense, it eating into my holidays, etc, when I could be somewhere that I would choose to go. I would never consider asking my DC/DSC in this situation, I honestly thought that you would be moaning about one of them living with you full time and not contributing.

bakingaddict · 24/11/2013 16:17

As a host, whether it be for an evening or longer I see it that I have invited people into my house so I do my best to make sure that you are well fed and watered and generally having a good time

You may eat me out of house and home and drink all my wine but I would be horrified if you tried to pay me in any way. By all means buy me a token gift if you feel the need but I would be slightly insulted to be offered money as though I would only have you around if it doesn't leave me out of pocket.

Inertia · 24/11/2013 16:18

In our family , the hosts are generally happy to feed visitors, because we appreciate that travelling to visit family also incurs significant costs - flights or fuel costs, food while travelling etc. If the adult children hadn't travelled to you it would have cost you to fly, pay airport parking, buy meals en route. Your stepchildren were visiting you all, not on holiday.

Your problem was your Ex H - he should have taken responsibility for shopping and financing these visits.

Moreisnnogedag · 24/11/2013 16:18

Hmm. I think if I was them and I'd paid for their flights over then I'd be a bit put out if I was then told I was expected to foot other things on top. I wouldn't choose to go on holiday to the same place year on year and if you were any sort of distance then the flights were probably a fair amount.

maparole · 24/11/2013 16:29

Try not to think of everything in monetary terms

Err... I don't. In fact, I'm one of the least money-oriented people I know. You cannot really ignore it, though, when your income is virtually non-existant (no benefits available), all your cards and cheque books have been stopped and you are reduced to having to go personally to the bank manager for every penny you need, giving full justification each time for why you need the cash.

I perhaps need to clarify that I wasn't suggesting we ask them for hard cash Shock. I just thought that they could be gently encouraged to replace petrol used, replenish the beers and wine drunk and that sort of thing. It was no secret from anyone that we were strapped.

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AnandaTimeIn · 24/11/2013 16:31

I consider people cheap who waltz up for a week's stay, possibly with someone in tow and expect the host family to provide everything.

Entitled, or what?

HappyMummyOfOne · 24/11/2013 16:36

YABVU, they were coming to their fathers home. Children should be able to return to the family home for a visit without paying.

Aquariusgirl86 · 24/11/2013 16:40

Yabu to want actual money from them. They are his kids. But they should treat to a meal out or come with some goodies.
They are paying for the flights out which is no doubt more expensive! Why didn't you visit them for a week instead if you feel so put out by them.

TobyLerone · 24/11/2013 16:41

I consider people cheap who have guests/family to stay and then expect them to pay for groceries and who bitch about them when they don't.

foreverondiet · 24/11/2013 16:44

If it was just one week in the summer you are being very mean and very unreasonable. If it was months on end then of course they should contribute. ShockShockShockShock

Moreisnnogedag · 24/11/2013 16:45

But they aren't being cheap! They are forking out perhaps hundreds of pounds to fly out there! they are visiting their dad who has chosen to live in another country to them. So they are expected to pay for flights and then pay extra on top - might they not view their contribution has already occurred?

SirChenjin · 24/11/2013 16:50

Depends on where the OP lives - the flights could be not much more than their usual commuting costs. If they are, and the visitors are not paying for their utilities and food at home then the holiday could actually be saving them money.

I'm really Shock by some posts on here. If some of you (as wage earning adults) pitch up at a relative's house (with partners/families in tow) do you really not put your hand in your pocket at all? Forget whether or not the host voices their expectation - would you really not once take them out for a meal or pay for some groceries while you were there?

TobyLerone · 24/11/2013 16:53

My parents would never accept money from me if I were visiting. Neither would I from any guest in my house, family or not.

Beamur · 24/11/2013 16:54

Given the bigger picture you've painted, then perhaps the sons could have been more sensitive to your financial situation and offered some contribution.
But as a general point, then I wouldn't expect a contribution towards food,wine etc from guests. Although it is good manners to offer a gift (usually wine or food) to your host.

gobbynorthernbird · 24/11/2013 16:56

No, I don't. My dad chose to move to another country. He chose to make it so the only way I could see him was to spend money and use my holiday entitlement. He chose to do all these things, and good for him, but I'm not funding it any more than when I go to my mum's once a month for Sunday lunch. And I'd die of shame rather than ask my DC/DSC to contribute to the running costs of my household if they were only occasional visitors. Especially if I'd had a year to save up.

Moreisnnogedag · 24/11/2013 16:56

It does depend on how far away it is. Both times my parents have lived abroad I had to spend between £500-800 depending on time of year. I certainly wasn't saving money!

But then I think I have a very different relationship with my family. If there was financial worries, they would have told me and I probably would've paid for them to come to me and then treated them. actually I probably would have given them the cash equivalent of the flights but we wouldn't hide money issues from each other

SprinkleLiberally · 24/11/2013 16:58

The one week visit is the same amount of time as visiting for a day every six to eight weeks which is not excessive really for parent and children. I'd bring a bottle or three of wine though. Do you ever visit them?

Grennie · 24/11/2013 17:01

I think this is an issue where families have very different views. Some families do find the idea that adult children should contribute to food, as shocking. Others would see it as courteous.

If they only came for a week, I think it is reasonable to go with what their father wants to do. For him to try and do anything else, may have caused massive upset that he wouldn't want.

maddy68 · 24/11/2013 17:02

He was treating his children. Yabu

HaroldTheGoat · 24/11/2013 17:08

I think YABU. I wouldn't have charged them for food petrol etc.