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To think my Dad is lying? Bit ranty...

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hyenafunk · 15/11/2013 11:01

DF is in his late forties. He moved to London from Yorkshire where we live when I was eight to pursue an acting career which has never amounted to anything other than a few adverts and extra parts. He's practically living in poverty down there in some shitty bedsit in a bad area. Before he moved he always had middle earning jobs and was able to afford luxuries. I saw him every weekend but soon after he moved that became one weekend a month before eventually turning into 2-3 times a year when I was about 11. I always stuck by him and his pipe dream until I had my own DC...

Have 3 DC. He saw the eldest about 4 times in the 15 months before DC2 was born, he's seen DC2 about 3 times. Never met DC3 who is now 15 months old. He promised (completely unprompted) that when DH returned to work after paternity when we had DC3 that he would come to visit and stay for a couple of weeks. I was so excited, thought it would be lovely for DC to bond with their GF who was always a stranger to them when he visited because the gaps between visits were so large.

When it came to the time of his visit I messaged him to find out what date he would be coming. He said money was tight so he wasn't sure yet. Now, it costs £20 on the coach which he always gets and he stays with my GM for free which she absolutely loves and has no issues with. We would happily have paid the £20... So this started off a bit of suspicion but I left it. Messaged him a fortnight or so later to find out if he knew when it'd be yet and he then said he'd come down with a chest infection so couldn't until he was better. Didn't hear from him until two days before Christmas when he informed me he still had the chest infection (three months on!) and would be missing Christmas... I was very upset obviously. Two months later he said he now had a non-alcoholic fatty liver and was waiting on test and scan results. In June he said the levels of something or another in his liver had come down but were still quite high and he had high cholesterol. Then a couple of weeks ago was the next I heard about it.

My GM came to visit and she reluctantly told me his liver was all better and now his only issue was that his pee wasn't flowing properly Hmm. She acted as if telling me was some big revelation, she said she'd call him as soon as she got home to let him know she'd told me. She also said she's been very concerned about him and has been losing sleep. She's not getting any younger and lives alone, she really misses him obviously... She said she thought he was hiding something from her but he swore he wasn't (and she does not take swearing on something lightly.) Shortly after she left I got a text from him to tell me she'd got it wrong and that his liver was still fatty Hmm, I'm not sure how she'd manage to get something like that wrong tbh...

I don't know much about fatty liver but DH said his Dad has one and lives with it perfectly normally, works long hours and so on. So I'm not sure how much it'd stop you travelling... I think the fact he still lives down there is ridiculous anyway. He has no quality of life down there and I highly doubt he's going to get his big break now in his late forties. He's completely missing his GC growing up, missed more than half of my life and his DM isn't getting any younger. I know it's his life and he doesn't have to be involved in his GC's lives but it makes me incredibly sad that he wouldn't want to be.

I've considered that he could be in a really shit position financially and is embarrassed about it but he's sent the DC vouchers for their birthdays with a moonpig card. The only other thing is that it's a really serious illness like cancer or cirrhosis of the liver and he's playing it down/lying to us. But I really don't see why he'd keep something like that from us, especially from his DM who is a holy woman and really wouldn't take lying lightly. Also I'm very dubious about my GM getting it so drastically wrong like that, it's a big thing to get wrong- the difference between him being better and still being ill! And it's not like her to get things wrong (she's not elderly enough for memory problems and doesn't have dementia.)

I have no idea what's going on. It's worrying but also frustrating. I've lost my patience with it all, a long time ago tbh. I just want to have my DF around and my DC to have a GF. My DM's DP suddenly died earlier this year at 50 and seeing his young DD have to come to terms with life without a Dad really made me want mine around. I asked him to visit but he said he couldn't because of the illness Hmm. None of this is like him, he certainly never would have missed Christmas and it's looking like this will be the second Christmas missed. April will be two years since we last saw him...

Wdyt? Is he lying? What can I do? I'm not a fan of confrontation and he's very passive aggressive which just winds me up. It's not viable for us to visit either. We'd have to get the train which costs a fortune, spend 3 hours on the train with 3 young DC and then have to fork out for a hotel which we don't have money for. Whereas he just needs to think about himself and pay the £20 coach fare.

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Preciousbane · 15/11/2013 11:10

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hyenafunk · 15/11/2013 11:13

Yes, it could be that but then if you were wouldn't you want to get it sorted before it was too late? He still has time to get himself back on the saddle imo.

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currentbuns · 15/11/2013 11:13

Could he be an alcoholic?

YouTheCat · 15/11/2013 11:15

Could it be that he's just a bit shit and self-centred?

I'd stop bothering. He's just making up excuses.

hyenafunk · 15/11/2013 11:18

Yeah I've tried to not care or bother anymore. I stopped messaging him to find out how he was doing and such to see if he'd start to message me first but he just never did and I was sitting worrying constantly so gave in.

Alcoholic is doubtful, there's always a possibility but he's never been a drinker.

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Badgerwife · 15/11/2013 11:19

It sounds like there is something fishy going on. He's basically removed himself completely from your life and keeps making excuses for not visiting. Either he's hiding something or he just isn't interested.

Hearing it second-hand from your grandmother is probably not giving you the full picture. Why don't you take a weekend and pay £20 to go visit him on your own and see what's what?

Selks · 15/11/2013 11:20

It sounds to me - and I could be wrong - that your Dad may be avoiding seeing you as he is hiding something, such as a drinking problem (which could be the cause of the fatty liver - might not be though). He might be feeling ashamed and embarrassed, or in denial about his difficulties. Hope this is not the case, OP.

Selks · 15/11/2013 11:21

I wouldn't stop bothering, but I would confront him and ask him to come clean about what is really going on.

hyenafunk · 15/11/2013 11:25

I hope it's not the case too but yes it does seem very likely to me that's he's hiding something, just not sure what. I'll ask him again if he's definitely being honest about it but he's already sworn that he is.

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NothingMoreScaryThanAHairy · 15/11/2013 11:27

Does have a new family who he not told about you? (maybe a bit far fetched but I've heard stranger reasons!)

Personally I would be fed up with the excuses and tell him you don't believe him and ask outright why he is avoiding you/ the GC.

JustAnotherFucker · 15/11/2013 11:28

I'd say he's just a self-centered useless arse.

There are a lot of them about. No doubt you will feature heavily in his life when he needs you in it.

I wouldn't concern myself with a mythical relationship for your dcs with him. He had no problem not being a devoted father to you so I imagine your dc's feature even further down his list of priorities sadly.

Quoteunquote · 15/11/2013 11:30

He sounds frightened, and probably doesn't want to admit he is not coping.

He probably feels he can't offer the support you need, so has withdrawn.

Could you visit him, go and stay for a weekend on your own?

hyenafunk · 15/11/2013 11:38

The more I've analysed it over the past year, the more I have thought he could be a lot more self centered than I ever could have imagined. I always thought he was a great Dad but since having my own DC I've realised I probably only thought that because he bought me a lot of stuff... He wasn't really ever there and did miss out on a lot Sad. Also I noticed when he did visit how much he talked about himself as well, it always seemed to go back to talking about him.

It is also possible that his over confidence was just masking his real feeling of inadequacy though I guess... I could try and travel down there but I'm not sure how to get to where he lives and if he knew I was planning on going he'd make me back out of it.

Secret family is something I never considered actually, now you've got me wondering whether he's secretly playing Brady bunch down there Grin.

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SleepyBum · 15/11/2013 11:49

I'm sorry you are going through this, my dad is an alcoholic and always full of promises that he never keeps. He has hardly seen my dc either and it is hurtful.

No matter how many times they let you down you always cling to the hope that the next promise is the one they won't back out of.

I don't really have any advice, other than you can't change him. Some people get used to living a life with no responsibility and commitment and they have no interest in facing up to the responsibilities they should have. Its shit and selfish but its the way it is.

What helped me is putting some emotional distance from my own dad, im always there for him and I love him to bits but its protected me from the constant upset from being let down and I don't put any expectation on him any more.

I hope you find your own resolution. I agree with the poster who said about maybe going up there on your own, see how he reacts when you suggest it to him.

LayMeDown · 15/11/2013 12:00

Your Dad just sounds like he is not that engaged with you and your family tbh. And hasn't been for a very long time. It's possible that he is hiding some alcoholism/terminal illness/secret family I suppose, but considering his history of seeing you I imagine its a lot more likely he just couldn't be arsed.
It's obvious that he's not going to come up to you, so you have two options as I see it.
A)Leave him to it and forget him
B) or go down to see him yourself. Ask him for his address, that you want to send him something the kids made him for Christmas as they won't see him. Then google it and get the coach down. If there is something else going of you will figure it out then. If not you can revert to option A.

carabos · 15/11/2013 12:07

Sorry, but he's just not that into you.
Sounds like an alcoholic to me - don't waste your time. I have an alcoholic father and I haven't wasted a moment on him for about 15 years - no loss.

WilsonFrickett · 15/11/2013 12:08

I think you have to ask yourself some really searching questions.

Take the fact that he is your dad out of the equation, take all the emotional ties out. Pretend this is my AIBU/WWYD.

I have a friend who, over the last 20 years or so I've seen a handful of times. They disappeared from my life without a backward glance, any contact or effort has come from me. This friend neglects his mother, who is getting older. I was once so close to this friend, I always imagined they'd have a great relationship with my DC, but actually that hasn't happened, they barely see him, in fact he hasn't even met my youngest. Whenever we arrange a visit there's some drama about his health, I'm not sure I'm getting the full story here, but whatever - he has a phone, he knows he can call and talk to me and I'll support him. WWYD?

Now what advice will you give me OP? Take the emotion away and look at how this person has treated you and your family. It's really fucking hard to do (absent father survivor here) but it may help you find a way forward. I eventually decided with my own DF that if he was a friend I wouldn't chase him to spend time with me - so why the hell was I chasing a man who basically didn't want me?

hyenafunk · 15/11/2013 12:46

Just want to thank you all so much for your advice Thanks It's been super helpful.

I text him to ask if he was being straight with me and whether he's been hiding anything at all. I also said that I'd really needed him around this year and have missed him a lot, also would like DC to know their GF...
He replied with "Health situation is still unclear. Had 2 scans and 15 blood tests. Still have fatty liver, next tests are for celiac and copper in urine. Hoping to get some answers so I can see you soon, Dad."

Really? Really? That's all I get. I just feel like giving up tbh... Which is really hurtful to do considering I don't really have a close bond with my DM either Sad

I liked your post wilson, that did make me think how I would advise that person to cut ties because they really weren't worth it. I guess it's just the fact he's my Dad and I feel like I should try to keep a relationship with him as much as possible but after the way he's acted I just don't see a point Sad

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YouTheCat · 15/11/2013 12:49

None of those tests would mean he couldn't visit. I doubt any of them would even require more than a doctor/out patient appointment.

Looking at his track record, since you were 8, it doesn't look promising.

EldritchCleavage · 15/11/2013 12:58

DH has a friend who has spent his entire adult life waiting for the big break as an actor/comedian. The problem is that in effect his whole life is on hold waiting for something that doesn't happen. Everything else (except earning a crust in a call centre) is in abeyance waiting for breakthrough role that doesn't come. He is a similar age to your father and seems to be increasingly detached as life continually fails to go the way he wants it. Your father may be in a similar position.

He knows where you are, and he knows you want to see him. You and he know that he could practically manage it if he wanted to. I really don't think you can push him into it, you will probably just have to wait and see what he does.

Selks · 15/11/2013 13:04

Text isn't really a good way to have a conversation. Could you ring him to try to have a fuller conversation? You might be able to get him talking a bit more and things might be a bit clearer.

But, like others are saying, if he really wanted to make the effort I think you would know by now. Sorry, OP.

YellowDinosaur · 15/11/2013 13:16

A fatty liver certainly doesn't mean he couldn't see you. It is a very common incidental finding when you do an ultrasound scan of someone's abdomen. He us having outpatient investigations for some minor changes in his blood tests and is using it as an excuse.

I'd probably say something along the lines of 'Dad I have no idea why you are using such ridiculous excuses to avoid seeing me. If you don't want to visit will you please just be honest so we can stop the pretence'

getdownshep · 15/11/2013 13:41

He sounds like my father, he was an alcoholic and saw my eldest dd once and never saw my other dc.
I always tried to have a relationship with him but it was pointless, he let us all down on so many occasions.
He also had high flying ideas which never came to anything and I think he was ashamed of how he lived.
He's been dead for over ten years now but I still feel sad about how his life turned out but that was his choice.
Hope your situation turns out better than mine did.

Ruffcat · 15/11/2013 13:51

Hmm could you visit him?

diddl · 15/11/2013 15:01

It's all about him, isn't it?

He doesn't sound bothered.

I mean he really doesn't have to wait for all the tests and "answers" before he can hop on a bus, does he?