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To think my Dad is lying? Bit ranty...

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hyenafunk · 15/11/2013 11:01

DF is in his late forties. He moved to London from Yorkshire where we live when I was eight to pursue an acting career which has never amounted to anything other than a few adverts and extra parts. He's practically living in poverty down there in some shitty bedsit in a bad area. Before he moved he always had middle earning jobs and was able to afford luxuries. I saw him every weekend but soon after he moved that became one weekend a month before eventually turning into 2-3 times a year when I was about 11. I always stuck by him and his pipe dream until I had my own DC...

Have 3 DC. He saw the eldest about 4 times in the 15 months before DC2 was born, he's seen DC2 about 3 times. Never met DC3 who is now 15 months old. He promised (completely unprompted) that when DH returned to work after paternity when we had DC3 that he would come to visit and stay for a couple of weeks. I was so excited, thought it would be lovely for DC to bond with their GF who was always a stranger to them when he visited because the gaps between visits were so large.

When it came to the time of his visit I messaged him to find out what date he would be coming. He said money was tight so he wasn't sure yet. Now, it costs £20 on the coach which he always gets and he stays with my GM for free which she absolutely loves and has no issues with. We would happily have paid the £20... So this started off a bit of suspicion but I left it. Messaged him a fortnight or so later to find out if he knew when it'd be yet and he then said he'd come down with a chest infection so couldn't until he was better. Didn't hear from him until two days before Christmas when he informed me he still had the chest infection (three months on!) and would be missing Christmas... I was very upset obviously. Two months later he said he now had a non-alcoholic fatty liver and was waiting on test and scan results. In June he said the levels of something or another in his liver had come down but were still quite high and he had high cholesterol. Then a couple of weeks ago was the next I heard about it.

My GM came to visit and she reluctantly told me his liver was all better and now his only issue was that his pee wasn't flowing properly Hmm. She acted as if telling me was some big revelation, she said she'd call him as soon as she got home to let him know she'd told me. She also said she's been very concerned about him and has been losing sleep. She's not getting any younger and lives alone, she really misses him obviously... She said she thought he was hiding something from her but he swore he wasn't (and she does not take swearing on something lightly.) Shortly after she left I got a text from him to tell me she'd got it wrong and that his liver was still fatty Hmm, I'm not sure how she'd manage to get something like that wrong tbh...

I don't know much about fatty liver but DH said his Dad has one and lives with it perfectly normally, works long hours and so on. So I'm not sure how much it'd stop you travelling... I think the fact he still lives down there is ridiculous anyway. He has no quality of life down there and I highly doubt he's going to get his big break now in his late forties. He's completely missing his GC growing up, missed more than half of my life and his DM isn't getting any younger. I know it's his life and he doesn't have to be involved in his GC's lives but it makes me incredibly sad that he wouldn't want to be.

I've considered that he could be in a really shit position financially and is embarrassed about it but he's sent the DC vouchers for their birthdays with a moonpig card. The only other thing is that it's a really serious illness like cancer or cirrhosis of the liver and he's playing it down/lying to us. But I really don't see why he'd keep something like that from us, especially from his DM who is a holy woman and really wouldn't take lying lightly. Also I'm very dubious about my GM getting it so drastically wrong like that, it's a big thing to get wrong- the difference between him being better and still being ill! And it's not like her to get things wrong (she's not elderly enough for memory problems and doesn't have dementia.)

I have no idea what's going on. It's worrying but also frustrating. I've lost my patience with it all, a long time ago tbh. I just want to have my DF around and my DC to have a GF. My DM's DP suddenly died earlier this year at 50 and seeing his young DD have to come to terms with life without a Dad really made me want mine around. I asked him to visit but he said he couldn't because of the illness Hmm. None of this is like him, he certainly never would have missed Christmas and it's looking like this will be the second Christmas missed. April will be two years since we last saw him...

Wdyt? Is he lying? What can I do? I'm not a fan of confrontation and he's very passive aggressive which just winds me up. It's not viable for us to visit either. We'd have to get the train which costs a fortune, spend 3 hours on the train with 3 young DC and then have to fork out for a hotel which we don't have money for. Whereas he just needs to think about himself and pay the £20 coach fare.

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Ahole · 15/11/2013 15:13

I don't think where he lives is relevant or whether he is following a dream or is skint . . . it just seems to me that he is a rubbish dad who can't be bothered and bullshits.

He was hardly there for you as a child so why would things change now. He's always been the same.

Yes he may be ill but that doesn't explain his behaviour for the last 20 odd years does it?

Jengnr · 15/11/2013 15:24

Go and see him. Not with your partner or the kids, just you.

It could be anything and one of those things might well be that he's a selfish arse but one way or another you will find out and can take action, or not, as you see fit.

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 16/11/2013 20:03

Could he be gay and embarrassed about it? He is keeping you at arms length for a reason. You consider him to have been a good DF in the past so he may be trying to filter what you know about him. I hope I haven't offended but posting this.

ShinyBauble · 16/11/2013 22:20

You sound so lovely OP. You are the daughter my errant father would have loved to have had, if that's any comfort at all! We're in the opposite situation - he keeps trying to make amends, and I don't give a shit. It's such a shame we can't swap Dads!

Fatty liver is nothing really. It means he should watch his diet and not drink, but it doesn't stop him travelling. He's fobbing you off. I would use YellowDinosaurs line. Have a showdown, or just let him go.

squeakytoy · 16/11/2013 22:25

yorkshire and london are only three hours drive apart...

greeneyes1978 · 16/11/2013 22:31

I think he may be gay too...

MortifiedAnyFuckerAdams · 16/11/2013 22:48

Another one thinkibg gay. Glad someone else suggested it.

ShinyBauble · 16/11/2013 22:50

I didn't mean to imply your dad doesn't give a shit! I don't know what's going on inside his head. But I think you should demand answers if you need them. If his weak health excuses are the real truth, he's just a very shallow and self-absorbed person and you'll have to decide how much of a relationship you want to pursue.

LessMissAbs · 16/11/2013 22:57

Is there a girlfriend...?

monicalewinski · 17/11/2013 02:09

Gay occurred to me too, especially as you said his mum is a holy person.

Either way, if it were me, I would go down on my own and see him. Explain how you feel and why and offer him the opportunity to put his side, then walk away. The ball will be in his court then, he may change, he may not, but at least you will have the knowledge that you gave him a clear option. If nothing changes, stop trying and get on with your life.

ICameOnTheJitney · 17/11/2013 03:17

His age coupled with health worries are probably depressing him. You should visit him.

AgentZigzag · 17/11/2013 04:30

I can't understand why anyone would suggest the OP should go to visit him.

(Sorry to sound harsh OP) He's made it crystal clear that he doesn't want to see her, how would going down to the inevitable awkwardness (his anger at the intrusion?) put her mind at rest?

He's not the person you've got set up in your head hyena, you say yourself you know that to be the case, why are you sat there worrying about him for months on end?

My guess is that he can't face the guilt any more of the reminder of how crap he's been in providing security for you that visiting you drags up, and what you've said about him being self absorbed means he won't care about how him avoiding the guilt will affect you, so long as he's OK.

See him for what he is, i.e. the type of person who let down the 11 year old you, and has been letting you down ever since.

SpencerPercival · 17/11/2013 04:48

I'm sorry but the chest thing made me think HIV. is the chest still an issue ?

MusicalEndorphins · 17/11/2013 05:07

I think if it were me, I would go on my own down to see him for a week end. Book a cheap room somewhere and see if he is ok. That way you can put your fears of his health being worse than he says at rest, and spend some time with him.

MrsGeorgeMichael · 17/11/2013 05:22

Gay was the 1st thing i thought when i read the OP

I would go down to put your mind at rest. one way or another

nooka · 17/11/2013 05:44

My FIL has essentially stopped travelling any distance from his house because he has prostate problems and finds the idea of being somewhere unfamiliar or long (over half an hour) journeys just too difficult. So it might be that the peeing problem is the key issue and that he just really doesn't want to talk about it. FIL is 20 years older than your dad though, I don't know if it's likely so much younger.

He might as others have said just be a bit rubbish, but it sounds as if his mum also thinks there is something wrong (not sure why being gay would stop you visiting anyone, although I can see that you might not want them to visit you if you are wanting to hide that)

minibmw2010 · 17/11/2013 08:42

What's the likelihood he has a separate family/relationship going on?

Whatdoiknowanyway · 17/11/2013 09:47

When I read this I thought it was about my brother. Who has been an appalling and absent father to his children. Self centered to the extreme. Some people are just like that unfortunately.

RubySparks · 17/11/2013 10:00

Different perspective... If he is being tested for coeliac there are likely to be issues with stomach and bowels as well as fatigue. Enough to make someone not want to travel or be away from home and I agree these kind of health problems lead to depression as it takes a long time to get answers.

treadheavily · 17/11/2013 10:13

I don't think he cares in the way you need him too.

There are a lot of people like your dad, self-centred, full of talk, simply unable to put others first.

He just sounds a bit hopeless, and of little use to you.

LondonMother · 17/11/2013 10:19

I'm 52 so older than OP's Dad. Late 40s isn't that old! I've known a few people who have really wanted to work in some creative but highly competitive field like acting, writing, directing, performing music, dancing. They've come into my much more mundane world because they've been temping to keep body and soul together between the vanishingly rare jobs they can get in their 'true' sphere.

In some cases, they've been level-headed enough to see that as time goes by the chances of making a profession out of their dream are receding and they've started looking for other ways to support themselves, e.g. teaching, or they've had a big re-think and decided that admin work and whatever else they've been doing isn't a fallback any more, it's the mainstay of their lives, so they have to start taking it more seriously.

However, I can think of two people who were sticking like glue to the idea they were 'really' an [insert creative profession of choice] and the admin work was an irritant they had to stoop to from time to time. These people were a nightmare to work with because they weren't very good at the humdrum stuff and didn't put much effort into it. From my brief contacts with them, I'd say they weren't all that good at personal relationships either, for similar reasons. Everything was done on their terms and their selfish behaviour was justified because it was all in the name of art. From my limited knowledge of this, I'd say they were narcissists.

I'm afraid OP's dad sounds similar. Walking out of the lives of his mum, his wife and his daughter to pursue an unreal dream - minimal contact and contact always on his terms - no real interest in their lives and problems - obsessing about, and communicating lots of unnecessary details about, his own problems - no real emotional engagement with anybody.

I'm sorry, OP. I know he's your dad and this is easier said than done, but you're better off without him in your life, regardless of what's going on. He's not mature enough to be a good father or grandfather. He hasn't even managed to be a good son, and it sounds like he failed badly at being a husband.

PhoebeMcPeePee · 17/11/2013 10:27

I would reply (actually I'd call but still ...) 'none of these are proper reasons for not visiting so either you are hiding something or just don't want to see your family anymore. Which is it?'

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 17/11/2013 10:33

I think Phoebe has hit the nail on the head. If he doesn't give you a satisfactory reply then I think you need to stop spending the emotional energy on him.

goodtimesinbontemps · 17/11/2013 10:50

I can understand how it must be upsetting that he doesn't seem to want to visit but tbh you are giving out that he hasn't visited you in two years, you haven't gone near him either! Presumably the road runs both ways? I know you have children but so do many people and it doesn't stop them visiting their family. He has been texting you for months saying he is ill and you still haven't visited ? Of course he could well just be an arse and not care but I do think you have to take some responsibility for the non visiting situation.

knowledgeispowerr · 17/11/2013 11:37

My grandad was similar in that we hardly saw him sometimes it was a couple of years in between! But he was an alcoholic. He died suddenly last year, we'd been expecting him. He wasn't that old.

I'm going to say go and see him before that chance is taken away. Definitely don't cut him off.

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