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to think that Miley Cyrus is not a feminist because...

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IceBeing · 13/11/2013 08:51

feminism isn't just about individual expression but about making the world a better more equal place for everyone....or if you can't do that then at least don't make it worse for the rest of us!

It is perfectly feminist to make money by getting naked if that is what you want to do...and in a perfect world where your actions don't affect other people that would be the end of it.

But in this world here, the one we actually live in, MC's actions make life noticeably worse for swathes of the population, all the way from teenage girls who feel increased pressure to become sexually active before they are ready, through even younger and younger girls believing that their looks are their defining characteristic, up to old farts like me working in male dominated environments who find themselves in a professional setting suddenly being faced with questions about twerking.

So no Miley you are not a feminist because you don't give a shit about the result of your 'self-expression' on the rest of woman kind (or human kind for that matter).

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claig · 13/11/2013 16:22

I think she is aware of the manipulation and goes along with it. If she didn't, then I don't think she would be as widely promoted and would not be as successful. She is not stupid but I don't think she is in charge and I don't think she is making the decisions about her image and her videos etc.

mrsjay · 13/11/2013 16:26

I don't know claig tbh maybe she is going along with it such a shame these young people act the way though do just cos they sing a song or 2 , Justin bieber is another who just does my head in, IT is too much to young I think, not for all of them but some of them it is the ego just goes overboard,

claig · 13/11/2013 16:31

I think it is worse than that, and some of their behaviour is possibly staged and used to redefine their image by the svengalis who want to promote a new image for a new market, as they transition from a young audience to a slightly older, edgier audience.

It's showbiz, and they have to play the game to get the fame.

Showbiz is a show and it manipulates the audience and the entertainers and actors have to play the part that the marketeers want.

claig · 13/11/2013 16:35

They all have to make the illuminati hand signs and promote the crap that the svengalis want the youth to be moved to. Soon they will probably be be talking about drugs etc which is what the svengalis want.

claig · 13/11/2013 16:38

The manipulation is really of the audience of the fans and is part of the "epater le bourgeois" agenda to transform society via the use of these "role models" portrayed to the youth as being cool, hip and trendy.

DownstairsMixUp · 13/11/2013 16:38

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claig · 13/11/2013 16:41

You've got great female artists like KT Tunstall, but the "role models" like Miley and Bieber etc are supposed to have a greater mass appeal and a greater influence on the masses.

mrsjay · 13/11/2013 16:42

and touch a girls boob Hmm does she really think it is empowering and sexy , I have the same issues with Rhianna but miley is trying to come across as rebellious it is as if she is sticking her fingers up at her dad or something thing is people are buying her Cds it is just us old farts who seem to be tutting her, saying that my dds think she is laughable and annoying

mrsjay · 13/11/2013 16:43

and dd2 was a huge Hannah montana/miley fan

claig · 13/11/2013 17:30

Quite an interesting interview with Miley's dad from 2011, where he talks about her handlers

It is a long interview and it is difficult to know how for real Billy actually is, because as the reporter says, Billy has handlers too

"See," he begins, "I've not been able to have a voice." He explains how, with each major or minor PR uproar in recent years, he has been expected to sail in and smooth everything over. He clearly has regrets.

"Every time something happened in Miley's career, every time the train went off the track, if you will—Vanity Fair,2 pole-dancing,3 whatever scandal it was—her people, or as they say in today's news, her handlers, every time they'd put me... 'Somebody's shooting at Miley! Put the old man up there!' Well, I took it, because I'm her daddy, and that's what daddies do. 'Okay, nail me to the cross, I'll take it....'?" As soon as he begins to talk about all this, anguish builds in his voice; the anguish, say, that any father might feel when he can no longer clearly see the right way to guide a daughter or keep her safe, but the kind that is compounded by a cauldron of celebrity and public humiliation and ambition and avarice and hysteria, so that it's hard for anyone, let alone someone at its center, to maintain any perspective, to be able to distinguish between sensible concern and panic-stricken paranoia, which may be somewhere close to how Billy Ray Cyrus feels right now. "All those people around, they used me every time. It became so obvious that, man, no matter what happens, they're going to put you up there and let you take the bullet."

When he heard about her upcoming eighteenth-birthday party, he decided he wasn't going to play that role anymore.

"You know why I didn't go? Because they were having it in a bar. It was wrong. It was for 21 years old and up. Once again all them people, they all wanted me to fly out so that then when all the bad press came they could say, 'Daddy endorsed this stuff....' I started realizing I'm being used. If I would have went out there I would have been right in the middle of all this stuff that's going on right now with the bong. They'd be hanging it on my ass. I had the common sense... I said, 'This whole thing's falling apart up there and they just want to blame all of this stuff on you again.' I'm staying out of it."

Because you felt you were just expected always to say everything's okay?

"That's right. And it's not okay."

Not long after the party, Cyrus heard that Miley's people were looking for something. That maybe his daughter's phone had been stolen. "And that was on the heels, the week previous, of some pictures from Spain4—a five- or seven-day period of just boom! There's a train wreck happening and my daughter's right in the middle of it." Now he was hearing "stories of the handlers trying to make kids' computers disappear and their phones disappear." That's all he knew. "I didn't know what the footage was."

So he spoke with one of the handlers.

"They told me," he says, his contempt and despair still naked and fresh, "it was none of my business."

None of your business: a sensationally ill-judged thing to tell any father of any 18-year-old girl in any circumstance. "I'm dealing with somebody that had only known my daughter for possibly four years," he says, "and I'm her daddy. I was pretty damn insulted. And I took that as the ultimate alarm. 'It's none of your business'! None of my business that you're out running around L.A. trying to buy kids' computers and phones because there's something about my daughter...?"

......

Do you wish Hannah Montana had never happened?

"I hate to say it, but yes, I do. Yeah. I'd take it back in a second. For my family to be here and just be everybody okay, safe and sound and happy and normal, would have been fantastic. Heck, yeah. I'd erase it all in a second if I could."

www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201103/billy-ray-cyrus-mr-hannah-montana-miley?currentPage=1

LetZygonsbeZygons · 13/11/2013 17:39

what did Cliff Richard say?

claig · 13/11/2013 17:47

"I just hope she grows out of it."

After 54 years in the music business, Sir Cliff accepts artists are exploited.

He said: "This industry can be very destructive, I'm not sure why that happens, or why I was lucky enough to not have that happen to me.

"I feel families keep your feet pinned to the ground. I still think of my dad now."

news.sky.com/story/1167155/miley-cyrus-damaged-by-music-says-sir-cliff

LetZygonsbeZygons · 13/11/2013 17:59

Thanks Claig. see. hes a good guy!

lljkk · 13/11/2013 19:33

MC is an ignorant 20yo. But doing nothing illegal or immoral. Pat on head, smile sweetly & ignore.

TheCrackFox · 13/11/2013 20:00

She bores the arse off me TBH.

Her antics are utterly predictable (Madonna did it 30yrs ago) and completely without talent.

mrsjay · 14/11/2013 08:50

thats how i feel about her Thecrackfox she just bores me but i do get shocked at the amount of young people who idolise her she is in London atm and i saw on tv young girls all lining up to meet her sigh

mrsjay · 14/11/2013 08:54

after reading that interview just seems like Billy Ray is winging and saying woe is me miley didnt get into Hannah montana on her own he and her mum must have taken her to interviews blah blah they encouraged it then it got out of hand he failed to protect his child in her quest for fame,

thebody · 14/11/2013 09:04

well I remember laughing about Madonna with my mates in the 80s and my teen dds laugh about Miley now.

no one takes either of them seriously do they?

mrsjay · 14/11/2013 09:08

Madonna had loads of fans in the 80s I can remember girls with lace hairbands and gloves and girls now do like miley why i can't fathom but she is really popular

thebody · 14/11/2013 09:16

yes but it's very transitory with teens. the next big thing will come along and she will be forgotten. Shame really as she has a nice voice.

the bay city rollers fan base literally disappeared over night.

mrsjay · 14/11/2013 10:08

yeah I suppose you are right thebody it is the instant then they vanish so they make as much a fuss as possible before it all goes pear shaped

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 14/11/2013 10:17

Miley Cyrus comes across as a scapegoat for her parents and PR people to exploit to me. I feel sorry for her.

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