Actually, I am being really unreasonable. However I would like to ask those who have experienced Angel Feathers to....

[DioneTheDiabolist]

...answer a few questions that I have.

1). What does it feel like when you see that feather?

2). What are your thoughts when this happens?

And

3). What would you say are the long term (if any) effects that you would attribute to these encounters.

I understand that this belief has been the subject of some ridicule here. I have no intention of ridiculing anyone. This thread has been inspired by a previous AIBU thread, but is not a thread about a thread. I am not a journalist. I am not seeking results to use in an academic submission or publication. What I am seeking is knowledge and understanding in the hope that I can use it to help others.

IABU for the following reasons:
I only posted in AIBU for the traffic. If MN rule that I have breached guidelines, can it be moved and not deleted.

And I ask the skeptics not to put people off answering honestly. If you think it necessary, I can start another thread for all your thoughts to be discussed. Perhaps the scientifically minded of you could look at this as an information gathering excersise.

Oh we should hold judgement, Dione it could be the conclusion of sound scientific research....

This thread is a mine of anecdotal, experiential evidence.

Now that I'll agree with Curlew.

But you do not base your beliefs on "anecdotal, experiential evidence" Curlew. So what scientific evidence are you basing your belief regarding rudeness on?

Or are you now saying that you do base your beliefs on anecdotal, experiential evidence? In which case how did you miss the post that Sublime just quoted? Is it another example of your confirmation bias?

I have observed on this thread that the rudest people are the ones who believe in the supernatural/paranormal/higher powers. Based on this observation, I have formed a theory. I will need to test this theory at some point soon, so I will have to work out some protocols to ensure a fair test. But currently all the available evidence supports my theory. This is of course subject to change if significant new evidence emerges or if the theory fails to hold under rigorous, properly conducted testing.

Nice try, Dione. I don't think you understand science or the nature of evidence enough to carry this argument through. Just sounds ridiculous.

Science and religion are not mutually exclusive you know.

Curlew, before you begin, what steps are you going to take to overcome a blind spot so big that you missed Voiceofnoreason's hate rhetoric and the subsequent posts which appear to support it?

Nice try at what Hettie?

I ran a pigeon over today. There were a lot of feathers.

Your passive-aggressive needling, Dione. It's very obvious and quite repellent, actually.

No, sublime - they don't have to be. But I think your particular brand is 100% incompatible with science. But then you'd actually have to understand science first to know that. You don't.

You don't know much at all about me Hettie , have you been at the old divination too?

What qualifies you to make such an assertion about me? I am a Christian, so what? There are a lot of us about, all walks of life.

Two things, Dione.
Voiceofnoreason was forthright and outspoken. But she wasn't personally rude to any individuals. To call what she said hatespeak makes a mockery of people who really suffer prejudice and persecution

And you may have noticed that I didn't say that the believers in use supernatural, the paranormal and a higher power were exclusively rude. I said that on this thread they were the ruder. By far.

How do you measure rudeness curlew? What do you base your assertion on? Are you actually attempting to quantify rudeness? Interesting, how do you account for cultural differences?

Poster says something regarding beliefs> do not match Curlew's beliefs= rude

Curlew expresses disapproval> poster elaborates on beliefs= very rude

Curlew emphatically expresses disapproval> poster elaborates more = very rude indeed.

Please tell me this is not your rudeness measure, Curlew...

Well, calling someone who hasn't been, arrogant and obnoxious is rude. Comparing somebody to a boring drunk man in a pub is rude. Unfortunately, the rudest posts have been deleted by Mumsnet (why on earth do that if the person concerned hasn't asked for a deletion? Why not let them stand for all to see? Who reported and why?)

There is benchmark of rudeness, regardless of cultural difference. And I reckon those examples meet it!

Ah, got to admit not read the whole thread. Soz.

Although I suspect I have been an inebriated bore in my time, as I would guess most of us have unless we don't touch the stuff. I have also indulged in my fair share of arrogance and obnoxiousness in my time, this is rife even in polite society. Some would call it vigorous debate. An accusation of this would not offend me, in this instance, puzzle me maybe, but I would apologise.

I must say the assumptions made about how well read I am amusing in their irony, reading is one thing I can claim to do avidly.

I don't really have a benchmark of rudeness though. Some comments I do find to be in bad taste, the dog muck, swearing, bedroom antics but I suspect this was intentional.

Oh dear, seems some non-angelic feathers are flying.

Just dropped in to say that I washed my cushion covers today and am mystified by why humankind hasn't invented a substance impermeable to feathers suitable for making cushions and pillows. How do the feckers get out of tightly woven cotton?

I can answer that one for you Errol, they're pointy!

Sublime- you obviously haven't read the thread. Your characterization is completely wrong. But hey ho, who cares? Whatever you want to believe is fine. There is no such thing as truth, after all- it's all relative.

Charles Bonnet Syndrome is a good example of Hetties last point. A brain constructing an image that is 'seen' by a Blind person.

Or not her exact last point....

Truth relative curlew? Speak for yourself!

Oh, for Darwin's sake! Why isn't there an irony typeface???????

I did not say I believed my possible scenario I asked you about it, curlew because I was amused by the idea of a rudermeter.

I like irony especially the double variety.