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AIBU?

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To find this disturbing for a number of reasons....

529 replies

Tinlegs · 10/11/2013 14:28

Photograph, posted on Facebook (and, therefore, in my eyes, endorsed) by a teacher of a group of people dressed up for Halloween. One person, "blacked up" (face mask, brownish make up on neck etc) one person "whitened up" (face mask, White make up) and a third person, also made up but in a brown colour. "Black man" wearing track suit, trainers and lots and lots of jewellery. "White woman" in curlers, Primark hoodie, track suit bottoms, heels. "Brown person" (an adult) in a child's buggy with a bottle, dummy and carrying what looks like a lunch box.

AIBU to think that this is racist and stereotyping of the worst kind. That they are dressed as a mixed race "chav" (not a word I would use but...) low income family who bottle feeds their baby, dresses badly and pushes a very old child around, who are all overweight etc.

Now I know these people. The area we live in is NOT at all multi cultural so there is unlikely to have been anyone offended at the party. But I am offended.

FWIW at least one of these people works with children on a daily basis.

Mumsnet, over to you.

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Heartbrokenmum73 · 10/11/2013 20:45

Taffleee - so you didn't mean it when you said you'd changed your mind earlier? I'm stunned to read that. This definition was posted by Thants earlier, in response to your asking:

Taffleee someone is racist when they believe people of another race are one homogenous group who they can stereotype as all acting/being the same rather than seeing them as individuals they therefore see them as different or other to their themselves and their race.

Happy now?

MrsDeVere · 10/11/2013 20:45

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Heartbrokenmum73 · 10/11/2013 20:46

Sooty - she can't answer that question because it didn't happen, so she'd be admitting she was lying Shock

5madthings · 10/11/2013 20:48

Fgs blacking is offensive, the history and social story behind it make it offer dive, same as golliwogs.

It is nt necessary to 'black' up to dress as someone.

Tinlegs · 10/11/2013 20:48

Bloody hell, garlicbutter, that is awful. I knew how badly they were treated but had not made the connection with their "looks".

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taffleee · 10/11/2013 20:51

Devere do not use this as an attack on me regarding my comments on another post - this is totally irrelevant - and ill think you'll find that has been rectified -

People can have more than one point of view, regarding very separate threads.

Mylovelyboy · 10/11/2013 20:51

And please dont send taffleee a link. Explain in brief. It only has to be brief as well. If someone was calling a person offensive words and telling them to fuck off back home then yes that is racism. But this thread is not about that. Its about a silly costume. That the people at the party have probably all forgotten about now. Would anyone on here find it offensive if you went to the theatre and one of the actors was blacked up for the role. I went to a silly panto once and there was an Egyptian part with camel etc {confused]. One of the characters had his face 'oranged up' (bit like here in Essex) to make him look tanned and Egyptian. Is that considered racist as well Confused would be really interested on your opinions about that.

Heartbrokenmum73 · 10/11/2013 20:53

How about you answer our questions first before changing the subject entirely.

I still want to know who called you a cunt? Third time I've asked.

And I'd like a response to all the other stuff that's been put your way since you last posted.

AmberLeaf · 10/11/2013 20:54

The stereotype that mixed race families are lower class is extremely racist

This.

garlicbutter · 10/11/2013 20:54

Would anyone on here find it offensive if you went to the theatre and one of the actors was blacked up for the role - Yes, the last blacked-up Othello was in the sixties. The new opera singer playing Otello will not be blacked, as Placido Domingo pissed everybody off by painting himself to look like a fat Italian in shoe polish.

Helpyourself · 10/11/2013 20:55

Don't you dare use the expression 'us whites' mylovely
Angry

Mylovelyboy · 10/11/2013 20:56

garlicbutter Fuking hell so we cant dress as a witch now. Racism against witches. Confused

garlicbutter · 10/11/2013 20:56

YY, Tinlegs :( I was relieved that no green witches came to my door on the 31st! I wouldn't lecture kids, but I'd have been pushed to hide my Hmm

taffleee · 10/11/2013 20:57

OK, I'll let my brother know him and his mates (from various ethnic backgrounds) had no right to dress up as the 'jackson 5' for his stag night, all 15 of them!!!!

They all had a great night by the way, but from your comments, they should have all been arrested for racism !!!!!#

Really????

MrsDeVere · 10/11/2013 20:59

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ilovesooty · 10/11/2013 20:59

Yes. No need to black up to play roles such as Othello these days. Thankfully we've moved on.

Heartbrokenmum73 · 10/11/2013 21:00

Taffleeee - change the record. We've gone over this about six times.

Yes, really. It's racist and offensive (according the vast majority of people in the world) so stop banging on about it. Just because there were 15 of them, that still doesn't make it right - just a bigger bunch of twats.

And you were lying earlier when you said you'd taken on board what Thants said then?

taffleee · 10/11/2013 21:00

I think you'll find mylovely just feels under attack - stop, please

wetaugust · 10/11/2013 21:01

Placido Domingo is not Italian.

Mylovelyboy · 10/11/2013 21:03

help
In dressing in a costume whether it fancy dress or for a play at the theatre and blacking up does not mean 'us whites' are belittling you. Or in anyway think you are inferior.
What the hell is wrong with saying that?

Because by reading through all these threads that the impression im getting.

garlicbutter · 10/11/2013 21:03

I couldn't be bothered to look him up, wetaugust. Sorry!

Heartbrokenmum73 · 10/11/2013 21:03

Taffleee - if mylovelyboy feels under attack, she's done enough attacking herself (calling someone a cunt is hardly peaceful behaviour is it?) and has shown her true colours time and again throughout this thread and the previous one about immigrants. She is deliberately pushing buttons and refusing to see that she is wrong regarding racism.

And anyway, she doesn't believe in bullying...

Mylovelyboy · 10/11/2013 21:03

taffleee thank you - they can attack all they like.

unlucky83 · 10/11/2013 21:04

Didn't know that Garlic - but then maybe as parents we can use that info to educate our children...they can still be green - as surely no one is living who that can cause offence to - but also to understand why they are green - that humans aren't very nice to their fellow humans sometimes and we need to be aware of that? And that is something we shouldn't forget...

Heartbrokenmum73 · 10/11/2013 21:04

mylovelyboy

Who called you a cunt?