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Re. Newborn and stepchildren

61 replies

NoDiggity · 09/11/2013 18:25

Please be gentle - I am sleep deprived and don't know if I'm being unreasonable or not! I have a newborn (16 days old today) and my dp thinks it's okay to leave him unsupervised for short periods with my dsc who are 5 and 7. I am very protective of our son - this is my first child. I don't think a 5 and 7 year old should be left alone with a newborn at all. Am I being ridiculous? Just had a row with dp about it...

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NoDiggity · 09/11/2013 23:52

Thanks again everyone for your advice. Really helpful.

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DoubleLifeIsALifeOfSorts · 10/11/2013 00:25

Nipping for a wee, maybe, but 15 mins, no.

Mind you, I was crazily attached to my pfb and actually had trouble leaving him anywhere without me for more than a few seconds! I got better as the months went by, but it was all pretty intense those first few weeks - add in over affectionate clumsy childhood and id have taken to full time baby wearing I think! Not my advice - but some sympathy as to how intense and unreal having your first is :)

IAlwaysThought · 10/11/2013 00:37

I would do this in certain circumstances. If the older kids were watching TV and the little one was settled I think that would be ok. It would depend on the kids and where I was. I would want to be able to hear them.

I can't imagine the thought of never letting a baby out of my sight, I think that would be OTT

JustRestingMyEyes · 10/11/2013 01:43

The stepchildren thing is a red herring - what i mean by that is that you should neither feel guilty about being protective with your pfb nor should you feel guilty for 'not trusting' your stepchildren.
Your stepchildren need to bond with your baby. This includes the eldest being allowed to pick him up and your youngest being able to hold him.
But....this should generally be done under supervision so that the seven year old holds the baby's head correctly and the youngest is sat nicely with arms out for you to give baby to cuddle and make sure does not drop. The older one cannot do that for the younger - too much responsibility.

If all three are in the same room then yes, theoretically they can all be together/coo together provided that the baby is safe tied into a baby bouncer or in a bassinet or in a travel cot or on a playmat/in a playpen.

Ground rules to be established

if baby asleep they both let him sleep

if baby in a playpen or on a playmat the youngest does not decide to leap into playpen or stand up suddenly/dance around the playmat

if baby having cuddle with the oldest youngest can stroke but not try to take and oldest does not try to get up and move with - certainly not at the age you are talking

if baby in basket youngest not to swing it without adult present

if baby in travel cot other two to distract with soft toys only, nothing too heavy

Yes they can be left alone for 5-10 mins but 15 too long unless baby asleep somewhere safe

why i think this

because I have had similar age gaps and you are right in thinking the eldest may be clumsy and the youngest may be rough. You would think that once you were onto your second let alone third which is why the stepchildren part is a misnomer. Your husband's ex was probably just as protective over her second when her four year old wanted to play with the newborn - your partner has either forgotten that or the four year old was amazingly diligent.

So - my seven year old could carry and cuddle but could not lift sister from the playmat - dropped her at eleven weeks

my three year old could not let her brother sleep - would poke tickle and pinch awake

neither could dance near the playmat - had a tendency to fall onto it we are very clumsy in my family

my three year old would swing a moses basket too high too quickly

both would drop plastic rattles on baby's head

my three year old would jump into the playpen and near kick baby in the head

what they could do

both could cuddle and soothe baby in their arms brilliantly once positioned safely
eldest could carry younger ones in an ergo
eldest could push prams and pushchairs
youngest could play alongside me with baby on the playmat or in the playpen
both could sing twinkle incy or pat a cake
both could lay on a bed with baby in the middle for group hug
both could fetch nappies wipes cream etc for me

I did have to bodyguard baby from three year old as it was treated like a doll and with jealousy involved was sometimes poked. Rough play is/was normal but certain behaviours like pinching biting not okay.

All have to feel like family as they ARE family but this can be managed in a good way with lots of praise doing the above and following those ground rules - the eldest will understand as would feel awful if did drop the baby trying to lift her. But they do need to feel involved.

But once established it should be that the baby can lay in carrycot for example whilst you grab a brew, nip in shower, go to the loo

Then both kids get a biccy, lots of praise - how proud you are, how lucky the baby is to have such a good big sister/brother etc

In three years time the eldest at ten will be a Godsend - can help with spoonfeeding burping etc- and the younger at six will be similar to the older one now. If you have a second baby you will then be guarding said baby from your current pfb at three Wink

Last thing - it is normal to be protective and feel 'mine mine mine'
whether baby is with siblings, inlaws, friends or childcarers but you will learn to let go and it is good for your pfb to have lots of interaction.

Secondly your baby is going to fall, be dropped or have an accident of some kind. It will happen either on your watch or with dp or siblings or whilst you are there and you will cry and feel guilty and possibly snap or recriminate but your baby will be fine. They are luckily very very sturdy.

Finally if your partner is arguing because he feels his children are perfectly capable of being with his third child without breaking him please be gentle - he is protecting his pfb in the same way. Which makes him a Keeper.

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JustRestingMyEyes · 10/11/2013 01:51

Bah my maths is off. 7 and 5

Most of the above still stands, particularly lifting from a mat or floor.
Holding neck positions for both. Not carrying for the youngest.
Not having him on the sofa if both glued to the set eating popcorn while he rolls off.

But a 5 year old is far more sensible than a three year old in terms of roughness. So I would go over the ground rules, relax, grab that shower and praise them for services rendered.

Or leave them with the baby and a listening device.

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DoctorRobert · 10/11/2013 01:55

no bloody way would I leave a newborn with a 5 year old for 15 mins. no way.

JustRestingMyEyes · 10/11/2013 02:10

A seven year old AND five year old in the same room as their (sleeping) baby for 5-10 minutes if following the ground rules mentioned above I would have thought was fine.
Put it this way none of mine are dead yet

bragmatic · 10/11/2013 07:46

Congratulations.

I had newborn twins and an older child who was less than 2. I bought a playpen to put them in when I nipped off for a shower, that way they were sort of protected from any clumsy mishaps. I'm not sure if I left them for 15 minutes. But showering, washing hair, getting dry and dressed? Probably close to 10. Or perhaps when I was off making beds and tidying rooms etc, then yeah, 10 minutes or so. Possibly 15, I don't now. You keep an ear out, obviously.

BraveLilBear · 10/11/2013 19:53

OP fwiw I don't think you are being unreasonable at all. I have an 11 yo DSS and a 3 month old. I still feel hesitant leaving them alone together.

Partly this is me being pfb and partly because DSS is very poor at understanding boundaries and has co-ordination challenges (he has some hypermobility and also appears to have dyspraxia).

Every time he goes near baby I get a bit stressed - they've been sat nicely next to each other and he's tried picking up baby, misjudging the weight amd subsequently nearly dropped him or was otherwise far too rpugh for a newborn.

Other times he goes to stroke baby's face but practically facepalms him. It's meant to be affectionate and DSS is a lovely, caring child, but I do worry.

I now keep a close eye on them but have started to encourage him to help in other ways like by putting his socks on.

In some ways it may be easier with younger children who listen and follow instructions but I for one have found it a challenge. I think the issue is partly because DSS obviously doesn't live with us, so has fewer chances to earn trust/we don't necessarily know how he'll respond in certain situations.

neunundneunzigluftballons · 10/11/2013 20:09

If ds was asleep I probably would have left him with siblings while I had a lightening speed shower if they were watching tv. I might have left him again asleep if I was hanging out a wash. Tbh it doesn't arise much 99% of the time they are with you so YANBU.

OhTheDrama · 10/11/2013 20:26

No way! YANBU, at that age they are still full of curiosity and I would never forgive myself if they dropped the baby whilst trying to give it a cuddle or to pick the baby up if it started to cry. They don't fully get how fragile a newborn is and it's wrong to put them in that position.

I remember finally getting my 3 week old velcro baby off to sleep and dashing to the loo whilst my 3yr old was watching TV. Was gone less than 5 minutes but came back down to find DD1 sat on the sofa with DD2 in her arms! Never did it again, used to take DD2 with me after that.

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