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AIBU?

To have said this to DS' Yr R teacher in GP surgery today?

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youarewinning · 08/11/2013 22:19

I must point out DS is now 9yo and in year 5. He's been extremely ill and diagnosed with tonsillitis at surgery. He was lying down on me but constantly twitching his legs and twiddling his fingers and occasionally instead of frequently! making noises.

Saw his old year R teacher - she was a complete cow to him and memorably punished him for pretend stinging a girl with a 'bee puppet' they had made - the girl cried. He was 4.1yo at the time.

School did point out he had poor social communication but despite my insistence thought it was 'something he'd learn as he matured' and she seemed to preferred the 'punish it out of him' approach. Sad as opposed to something that he needed an IEP/support for.

Anyway she retired as he left year R and he left the infants just over 2 years ago.

She said Hi to DS who didn't recognise her. I reminded him she was his teacher in year R. DS just said 'oh' and laid back down. She asked him how juniors was and he said "fine".

She then said "your much quieter than you use to be but I see you still don't sit still" Shock

My simple reply was "I see you're still as judgemental as you use to be and continue to misunderstand children"

Ironically my DS is not quiet - he's quiet socially but is always talking to himself, his Ipad Grin or generally making low level noises. He does sit very well now.
Most importantly thanks to the correct support he's getting is doing extremely well in school and is part way towards a diagnosis of ASD.

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Goldmandra · 09/11/2013 16:42

You're still holding a grudge because he missed 10 minutes of golden time for pretending to sting someone and making them cry?

Why don't you read the whole thread before commenting? Hmm

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youarewinning · 09/11/2013 16:43

imoff please RTFT.

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youarewinning · 09/11/2013 16:43

x posts gold Grin

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imofftolisdoonvarna · 09/11/2013 16:45

Surely if she really didn't like your DS she wouldn't have even acknowledged him in the surgery, she would have just ignored him, especially as she is now retired? It does sound to me like she was just trying to make a comment that showed she remembered him.

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imofftolisdoonvarna · 09/11/2013 16:47

I have read the thread, but you said that a memorable punishment was the bee stinging incident.

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youarewinning · 09/11/2013 16:48

I sat next to her as no other seats - I smiled and said Hi as it would be rude to ignore her. Then DS asked me who she was. She then continued the conversation. Bet she wishes she'd kept quiet now? Grin

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intitgrand · 09/11/2013 16:53

Sheesh !It was just a jokey throw away comment FFSDo you always take everything so literally?.
you bang on about how ill your DS was with fricking tonsillitis.It was a doctors surgery she could be there for something serious and you verbally abuse her.
YABU rude and PFB!

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homeworkmakesmemad · 09/11/2013 16:55

Maybe unreasonable in that responding rudely is pretty much always uncalled for as it lowers us to the level of those who are rude to us, BUT - I completely understand why you said what you did and I commend you for standing up for your son, even if it perhaps wasn't said in the best way. (although in the immediate heat of the moment I'm impressed that you had a comeback at all - well done!)

My DS had a horrendous teacher in P1 and this followed on from a pretty difficult experience in nursery when 1 of the teachers was also awful. We had worked hard to negate the negativity coming from his nursery teacher and thankfully she only taught him 2 days out of 5 and the other teacher was lovely, so the impact wasn't too bad. However the teacher in P1 decimated his character - changed him from a confident, happy child who was eager to learn to a child who thought he was crap at everything work-wise (he was actually way beyond everyone else in his year group academically so absolutely no truth in this at all), labelled himself a "bad boy" and hated school to the point of crying almost every day going in. It has taken 2 full school years, two excellent teachers and a heck of a lot of work to get him back to the boy he once was. He is now in P4 and is excelling - he knows he is bright, he believes in himself and is confident, but not proud or looking down on anyone in any way. Most of all he's happy. I would LOVE to meet that teacher again and let her know just how well he is doing and how highly his teachers think of him. She has since moved to another area and I doubt I will ever see her again - gutted - both my son and myself are now far more confident and could stand up to her for the first time ever - it would give me so much pleasure and I would love my son to have the opportunity to show her what a wonderful, successful, confident boy he is now.

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ouryve · 09/11/2013 16:57

YWNBU.

The retirement of some teachers is a good thing.

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youarewinning · 09/11/2013 16:58

memorable as in ridiculous. She 'sad sided' him daily. He lost golden time weekly. Some of the things were fair enough and she would 'sad side' and did sad side other pupils for.

BTW - the 'stung' child is a very unpopular tittle tattler nowadays. She is often DS 'buddy' at lunchtime (he has 1:1 support and only does half of lunchtime in playground). Why? Because he feels sorry for her having no friends so asks her if she wants to go to library with her. Not bad for a child with very little empathy.

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BitOutOfPractice · 09/11/2013 17:32

Why, I often wonder, do people come on AIBU when they have no doubt whatsoever in their mind that they were 100% right? To be patted on the back? It puzzles me

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youarewinning · 09/11/2013 17:35

Some people might BitOut but I've fully admitted my response may have been more about unresolved bitterness towards her which I didn't realise I harboured than about her comment as such.

I am disputing those posters who say she can't have disliked him and I'm imagining it. This is the teacher who when invited to say something positive about my DS - declined the offer.

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claig · 09/11/2013 17:36

BitOutOfPractice, OP actually thought she had been unreasonable and was pleased to find that most posters thought that she had not been unreasonable.

"I actually had thought after that IHBU. But coming here and seeing most MNers think my initial thought and response was fair enough - I'm glad I did say it now.'"

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youarewinning · 09/11/2013 17:40

Thanks claig We may not have agreed through the thread but its great when debate leads people to see it from both sides. I am glad I said it because its made me realise lots of things. But I agree I maybe jumped the gun on her meaning of the comment - and could probably have handled it better.

I still dislike her though Wink

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claig · 09/11/2013 17:43

Yes, youarewinning, I don't blame you because your reaction was instinctive, based on the latent resentment. But now please cut her some slack Smile

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pacificjade · 09/11/2013 17:43

She completely deserved the comment OP. my DS, who is 11, has a ASD diagnosis and he's had one or two teachers who obviously had no idea how to treat him & also tried to punish his 'bad' behaviour.

We changed schools & I have a changed child as he is now taught by teachers who treat DS in a way that shows they understand him.

Some of the comments on here show how little understanding there is of ASD children and their behaviour. I count myself as someone who didn't understand either until I experienced it with DS. Part of a teachers job, however, is to understand why some children behave as they do and treat them appropriately.

Good on you for standing up for your DS OP.

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youarewinning · 09/11/2013 17:56

Shame it was 5 years too late Wink

I regret letting them make me feel like I was the one making a fuss at the time and that I should have let them "do their job".

I knew something wasn't quite right with DS - hence why I'd already sought support from HV when he was 2 and was under ENT for hearing checks.

Whoever said hindsights a wonderful thing - should be shot Grin

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pacificjade · 09/11/2013 18:14

I know what you mean, it took us years to stand up to the 'oh he's just shy/a dreamer/ socially immature etc. DS was always completely different to most of his peers, we just didn't know why.
Fortunately with the help of his current school, we finally made the ASD diagnosis when he was 8.

We now have to choose the next school, as he finishes at his primary school this year, & I am agonising over making a wrong decision for DS.

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SarahAndFuck · 09/11/2013 18:28

OP "She said Hi to DS who didn't recognise her. I reminded him she was his teacher in year R. DS just said 'oh' and laid back down. She asked him how juniors was and he said "fine".

Claig "I hope he grows up to be more polite and courteous than this. I feel sorry for the teacher."

He is a young child with social difficulties who was very ill with tonsillitis at the time.

Talking with severe tonsillitis is agony and takes a lot of effort and energy.

I think under the circumstances he was very polite and courteous to say as much as he did. Just getting to the doctor will have been exhausting and painful for him.

Making polite smalltalk with a woman he doesn't remember wouldn't really be something he was well enough to do and he shouldn't be judged on the little he did say while suffering from a painful throat condition that makes talking (and eating, drinking or even just swallowing) an ordeal.

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intitgrand · 09/11/2013 21:42

I can remember my reception teacher Mrs Miller - and I am 45 not 9!! I would suggest if the teacher had been as unkind to your kid as you seem to think, she wouldn't have been forgotten so easily!
why is it that parents of naughty children always blame the teacher? (rhetorical question -we all know the answer!)

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intitgrand · 09/11/2013 21:44

and OP have you thought the teacher might have been ill too.Why did you trhink it was ok to abuse someone in a doctors waiting room?

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youarewinning · 09/11/2013 21:56

He has SN - so not great at recalling people at the best of times. I can still remember teachers I had. My DS couldn't remember the nursery teacher who he loved when he saw her 3 years after he left.

And why are you questioning my DS behaviour. We are disussing my response to a teacher that failed my DS and made his first year of school hell. Not once have I claimed my DS is perfect. In fact his HT told me I was imagining his behaviour to be worse than it actually was and "to stop getting myself in a tizz about it" Hmm

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youarewinning · 09/11/2013 21:59

She may have been ill - I assumed she was tbh. But she decided to have another dig at my DS and I stood up for him.

Maybe the way I did was wrong - I said that hours ago. But all this assumption that I'm a parent who thinks their child is an angel is speculation, ridiculous and completely wrong.

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overmydeadbody · 09/11/2013 22:08

intitgrand the OP's child wasn't a 'naughty' child, he is being diagnosed for ASD. It was the teacher's fault for not being able to provide for his needs, and to punish and criticize instead of support and nurture him like a reception teacher should.

I say that as a reception teacher.

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intitgrand · 09/11/2013 22:10

Because he was on the 'sad side' every day and your anecdote about making a girl cry!

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