Animals vs humans round 2

[livingzuid]

I was enjoying our previous debate started by Fifi. Not sure if we were done!

AIBU to think if faced with choosing a pet over a human (even if a stranger), you should choose the human?

The idea was brought up in another thread and put in life or death situation. Building on fire contains your pet and a stranger. You could only save one, who would it be?

I had a dog, Ralph, I cried my heart out when he died 3 years ago. The only dog I wasn't scared of! But I can't imagine leaving a person to die instead, no matter how my heart would break.

AKAK fwiw if I was in a burning building with your child and my dog (who I adore!) I would save your child.
I hope you don't raise your dc with such a low value of human life

can I ask a question AK? Is the not giving a fuck specific to this particular debate or does it extend to all areas of life? eg would you prefer for your taxes not to be used for another person's health care, or job seekers , because it doesn't affect you? I know that's got nothing to do with this particular discussion, and I'm not jumping to that conclusion, but I'd love to know how you feel about other things that don't affect you?

Hello again everyone,

Thanks for your reports. It looks like the thread has descended in to quite a bunfight. We've been through to delete posts which break our guidelines but please report any you feel we've missed.

We understand the issue at hand might lead to a heated debate but if you could keep your emotions within our guidelines we'd be really grateful.

Will try again.

In the event that someone did save the pet as per the hypothetical situation, and then displayed AK's attitude afterwards, I'd readily turn a blind eye to whatever consequent "misfortune" befell them...

Seconded

eg would you prefer for your taxes not to be used for another person's health care, or job seekers , because it doesn't affect you?

Kind of difficult that one as taxes aren't exactly optional. I'd love to be able to opt out of the nhs and pay privately. As for benefits it does affect me indirectly - can you imagine the crime rate if all benefits were stopped?

Of course I'm allowed not to care! I'm not actually wishing bad things to happen to people or taking pleasure from it - I'm just not interested in people who are complete strangers to me.

I think a specific term might have been applied incorrectly (not on purpose though - a commonly confused one)

My post replied to it so prob got deleted for that reason.

If not then I'm not sure why.

Don't know about the rest though

Akak has not made any personal attacks or goady comments. Instead AKAK has answered in generalisations - with no inferred attack on those who have taken offence at AKAKs stance. Whether AKAK is male or female is irrelevant. Remember also that more women in the study that prompted this debate (& I'm using that word lightly because I think this no longer qualifies as a debate) chose the dog.

Focus should remain in the question posed rather than getting caught up in personal attacks & myriad other scenarios.

I doubt anyone is going to change anyone else's mind on here. All that will happen is that a few of you will continue to discuss how disgusting some people are & the worst will feel a need to make either direct or inferred personal attacks.

Which is a shame.

This should have been an interesting discussion exploring the whys & hows & what ifs rather than the nastiness it has.

Mumsnet, I respectfully disagree, this is not a bun fight. For that implies both sides slinging insults at one another. Only one side has done this.

In the event that someone did save the pet as per the hypothetical situation, and then displayed AK's attitude afterwards, I'd readily turn a blind eye to whatever consequent "misfortune" befell them...

Hmm so you're the one condoning 'misfortune' on another human being and yet I'm somehow evil because I'm just not interested with no malice intended.

Doesn't really matter whether your intention is malicious or not if the effect of your choice is the suffering or death of another person. Drunk drivers don't mean to kill people.

Hahaha!

Earlier quotes from spider7 include :

Bring it on. I won't need my dog to kick your smug, sanctimonious, holier than thou, hypocritical arses!

You'll have the 'riotous' anger of bereavement & probably fuck all training in how to fight. I will have riotous anger, self preservation & protection for my loved one plus a lifetime of, tested, training. You have no clue who you're talking to

Not condoning, just not caring what happened to someone who left a child to die to rescue their dog.

And after such an act I wouldn't consider them much of a human being anyway.

The 'you' was not singular. It was plural to the threat that if someone should CHOOSE to save their pet then they & their pet would be murdered. I had clearly stated that I would CHOOSE to save my pet, I was saying fine.... & pointing out it may not be as easy as you believe to actually murder some hypothetical person who in real life may be somewhat more than you imagine them to be.

A description of how you are presenting yourselves as a group is not a personal attack. I did not specify a person as more than one made these threats.

I was not calling you deranged, mental, friendless or acting superior to you.

Right, work time now.

Do try to remain civil & oh I don't know.... stick to the point of this 'debate'?

Pull the other one spider your comments were the mist threatening at all 'no clue who you're talking to' indeed!

Although I think you understood that anyway AK.

Twist whatever meaning from it paints you in the best light though. It's been a common enough device on this thread ;)

Doesn't really matter whether your intention is malicious or not if the effect of your choice is the suffering or death of another person. Drunk drivers don't mean to kill people. So someone who chooses not to go into a burning building to save another human being is on the same level as a drink driver? I tell you now there is no way on earth I'd be going into a burning building to rescue anyone who wasn't family or someone I care about (including my dog). That clearly makes me as bad as a drink driver. I choose not to give money to help starving children in Africa which by your reasoning leads to suffering and death and so I guess that also makes me as bad as drink driver.