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To feel slightly annoyed about not getting a choice in Xmas?

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LaLaLeni · 30/10/2013 21:57

This is my first AIBU post, so please be kind!

We have a 7 month old DS, who is an ivf baby that I had to convince OH to have. I went through the treatment twice and it wasn't easy. We just bought our first home which for me is a very important new start as we previously had a house burn down and lost everything. My ideal Christmas would be just the three of us in our new home together, bonding as a new family and relaxing. I work full time and have a self-employed job too, so holidays are the only time I have to reset.

My DF and DSF regularly travel the 3 hrs to see us, but pils have never visited us once in our 4 years together. Mil has an anxiety disorder (although I wasn't told until this summer) meaning she won't go out alone, she hasn't sought treatment for it. They live on a smallholding and have issues with hoarding, so their house is very dirty (think cat faeces/vomit left for weeks, piles of old furniture/papers/toys covered in cobwebs and dust from when OH was little, the odd dead animal covered in flies that the 6 cats bring in, not to mention the 'new' microwave OH used to warm DS's milk when he was just 5 weeks old, which has about an inch of encrusted food inside it. During our last visit to them mil promised they'd finally come to us next, but then promptly got a sheepdog puppy who can't go in a car or be left alone ever.

OH doesn't drive and we don't need a car, so I always have to hire one and do all the driving.

We last visited in September and paid a lot of money to rent a cottage because DS is about to crawl and I insisted on avoiding him eating cat poo or anything else lying around at mil's house.

OH constantly says he has no money, despite having earned over double what I do until very recently, (Yet I still paid half of all our bills) yet seems fine with spending cash on hire cars and holiday cottages. We've had no holidays anywhere other than to see pils since 4 months in to our relationship. I pay all the bills and I paid three times what he did towards our mortgage deposit too, so it annoys me that he now insists on blowing more money visiting pils who refuse to make the effort to come to us, even though we have a child.

When we see them, pil barely looks up from the tv and has to be asked to hold DS. I spend the whole time watching DS to make sure he's not putting poo in his mouth. I have to drive us everywhere. It's not how I want our first family xmas to be at all.

I tried to tell OH how I felt but he just yelled saying I don't understand what it's like for him. Considering he has no qualms about saying he hates my DF, I feel I do.

Am I unreasonable to expect to have some say in this without being made to feel like I'm a terrible mother? I've made so many concessions already, yet there's just no give and take whatsoever Hmm

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LaLaLeni · 31/10/2013 17:39

He won't see it that way - he doesn't plan finances as I do...

I've previously refused to go (whilst I was pregnant and didn't fancy risking toxoplasmosis) and in order to make an excuse because he'd already told them we'd go, he told mil I think her house is dirty and it didn't go down well, even though it's true!

I can't win.

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Augustaprodworthy · 31/10/2013 17:45

Sorry if this has already been said but your opener out convincing your OH to have IVF baby concerned me, then you go on to say you do the driving and earning etc. why does he have no money?
Lots of red flags...
Don't hire a car , don't drive, don't go

brass · 31/10/2013 18:06

doesn't matter what he sees or what he doesn't, if you don't pay and he doesn't have the funds how will it happen?

Also stitching you up by telling them what you thought about their hygiene is a major red flag. Why did he do that? It's hardly being diplomatic. What did he gain by doing that?

He sounds like a bully, he does not get to dictate where you go and how you do it. It should be a joint decision that everyone is happy with.

LaLaLeni · 31/10/2013 18:12

No idea why he did it - he says because he ran out of excuses.

We were given pretty tough news about my fertility just after we'd had a huge trauma so it was a tough decision but we didn't have the luxury of time, so we had to decide about ivf under pressure. This put the frighteners up him a bit.

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AnandaTimeIn · 31/10/2013 18:29

to him how they live is normal, he grew up in it and he does nothing in our household. If I ask him at least not to add to the housework he says I'm a nag and mimics me the way a teenager would.

How old is he? Whatever, he has a wife and child now so he needs to get onboard, not threaten not to take care of his child (WTF?!) if he doesn't get his own way.
Did I read that correctly that he has threatened to take DC?! (where, to his parents?!).

Darling, you SO need to open your eyes!

He is using you financially too.

Refuse to drive. Let him deal with his parents, yes, it is a health hazard for you both. Your DC cannot grow up thinking that is normal.

I agree with PP about his parents having mental health issues.

The highlighted bit above is how your house will end up in the future. Do you want that for you and DC?

If I'd been in your shoes, I would've LTB yesterday already.

AnandaTimeIn · 31/10/2013 18:38

well, it was supposed to be highlighted....

LaLaLeni · 31/10/2013 18:58

Trust me I would be saying the same to anyone else!

He's 29. He has no idea where he'd go with DS, he's never had him alone for 24 hours so he really has no idea how tough it can be when DS isn't happy the whole day. He's been away for a few days at a time when DS was tiny and I was struggling with BF, and I've never been away for longer than 8 hours (for work).

Bizarrely mil always agrees with me about him behaving badly, which makes the house cleanliness issue even tougher. Maybe because I've worked with so many people with serious MH issues I'm more tolerant than I otherwise would be. I've come to accept that unless I'm prepared to disrupt our lives completely, I mostly have to suck it up, but this particular argument comes up time and again and until all your comments I did genuinely wonder if maybe I was just wrong.

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LaLaLeni · 31/10/2013 19:11

I understand LTB seems like the only sensible plan. BUT as I'm a previous victim of DV and stalking, he doesn't hit me and he does love DS. Maybe my psychology background is doing me a disservice here but I actually do see why he is the way he is and I see it can't be easy to deal with parents who have MH issues. I've got my own flaws and I do believe relationships are about taking the rough with the smooth. DS isn't negatively affected currently because we never fight in front of him and he absolutely adores his dad. He's such a happy baby, and of course I ensure he sees family despite my own annoyances (and he's kept clean etc).

My ideal scenario would be us going to counselling, and mil getting therapy too (not that it would make her house clean!) for her anxiety so they could come here. Maybe that's a pipe dream, but I'm thinking about DS and how I blamed my mum for years when she left my dad and took me with her.

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jhfkshfks · 31/10/2013 19:21

It sounds as if you are having a really tough time, but I'd just like to point out that you can go to Relate by yourself - it might help you to put things in context and for you to explore what a healthy relationship would be like for you.
Best of luck

RegTheMonkey · 31/10/2013 19:56

I hear what you are saying, but for me I would just say 'let's spend our baby's first Christmas at home, just the three of us'. That should be good enough for him. If he really really has to go to his parents then he'll have to get trains etc.

toffeesponge · 01/11/2013 16:46

Lala, what do you want from this thread?

You won't leave your home. You don't know what is normal but when we say this isn't, and is bad for your baby, you still won't leave and hope things will be better before your DS grows up. Why would they be? Your dh is pretty happy with how things are now. Wife and baby in nice house. You pay more than your fair share, book and pay for cottages and cars, drive, look after the baby all the time, I assume you wash, cook, clean and shag him. Why would he want things to change?

LaLaLeni · 01/11/2013 19:45

Toffee- I think I just wanted to know that he is indeed taking the piss.

Leaving is not something I'd do on the basis of an internet forum, it's just good to thrash it out here with outsiders who have no agenda.

I wish I did shag him - he's not really interested. At least a good shag might assuage the other feelings a bit. Another nail in the coffin of course.

My op's question wasn't 'should I leave him', it was 'aibu to want a choice in xmas', and I now know I'm not BU at all.

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fifi669 · 01/11/2013 19:59

Personally..... If the house is that bad, I wouldn't want DC there at all, let alone for Christmas. He's only 7 months so won't have a clue what's going on. I'd stand firm.

LaLaLeni · 01/11/2013 20:56

Fifi how would you tell Pils that though?

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funnyflowersky · 01/11/2013 21:15

LTB seriously. He and his parents sound awful. Refuse to hire a car, drive and rent holiday homes. Tough luck, he'll have to deal with it. If not he can always go back and live in filth with his parents. Reading this I don not get why you are putting up with and going along with this shit.

fifi669 · 01/11/2013 22:25

You're OH doesn't seem to have a problem telling him the truth, let him tell them! Or you could make up some baby related excuse. Needing their things nearby, presents to heave, not sleeping well etc

AgathaF · 03/11/2013 10:03

Your short term dilemma - Xmas. Just tell the ILs and your H that you can't afford the hire car and cottage, that you want your baby's first Xmas in your own home, that they are welcome to visit if they wish. Then do not engage any more with their abusiveness. At some point you are going to have to put your foot down over this, so it might as well be now.

Your long term dilemma - your relationship. As much as you have some personal issues with your parents relationship breaking up, and you have some financial issues too, you must realise that you cannot possibly bring a child up in the relationship you have. You say that you have no role models for healthy relationships. Your DS also will not have any role models for healthy relationships if you don't sort this out. Is that what you want for him?

SuburbanRhonda · 03/11/2013 10:30

OP, sorry, but your assertion that your DS isn't affected because you never fight in front of him is extremely naive.

Even in the womb, babies are adversely affected by tension and stress caused by arguing parents.

You need to get this relationship onto a healthy footing unless you want your DS to repeat the mistakes in his relationships Sad

HexU · 03/11/2013 10:53

Sell Christmas at home with him - including cost of traveling.
Then if that doesn't work tell him your not going or your going somewhere else - holiday destination/relative and taking your DC with you.

Seek counseling/help for your own past - cause that seems to be holding you back and impact on your ability to deal with current issues in your relationship.

Think about what you want to happen financially - have arguments in your favor all laid out and calmly talk to your DH about it. Don't argue stay calm and then evaluate his response to that. If he won't compromise and still expect you to pay for everything then you have real issues that you will need to address.

It could be he hasn't adjusted to his priority being you and his DC - took my DH a second close together DC and a move away from his family. Plus the DC were a lot older before DH looked after them for any length of time - I wish now I'd pushed that a bit more - but it does it quiet often now.

I also think you can attended relate by yourself - I had a friend do that not that she kept going long - but I understand that they can have long waiting lists.

You do need to stand up for yourself - but you can do that without walking out the door at least yet though that is always an option that is there.

LaGuardia · 03/11/2013 10:57

Yes, LTB

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