To think that going abroad for surrogacy should be far more controlled

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This couple are planning to bring back FOUR babies from India.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24670212

No one in the right mind diliberately choose to have quads. I feel that the family have not thought through the logistics of bringing up four babies. I feel shocked at the utter contempt the wife has for her two surrogate.

There are laws to prevent unsuitable people adopting from abroad and I feel that there should be laws to prevent unsuitable people using surrogates to get hold of a baby/babies.

Stop - for the umpteenth time. You cannot go abroad, buy a child and rock up to customs baby in tow. UKBA will not permit the child entry into the UK.

The legislation already exists for adoptive children. This legislation is UK based, covering the UK, regardless of what other legislation other countries do, or do not have.

It would be extremely easy to extend this to surrogate parents. Currently as using surrogates in India is permitted, UK parents are able to go through paperwork to bring their children via surrogacy to the UK.

If this became illegal, those parents would no longer be able to do this - just like you can no longer bring unofficially adopted children into the UK.

Prospective parents wishing to use surrogates would still be able to use UK surrogates or surrogates in countries that did not break UK legislation - just like adoptive parents are able to adopt in the UK or official channels abroad.

Stop - to put it very simply, the rights of an infertile couple to have children does not give them the right to exploit or coerce another woman.

To ignore any such coercion, exploitation or harm, just so that infertile people are not impinged or treated any differently to a fertile couple is morally wrong and legally dubious.

And, the unborn/born child's rights to do outweigh the right of the surrogate mother not to be harmed or exploited either.

Stop why should the OP apologise for bring race into it? It is a racial issue!

Using someone from another country for your own ends based purely on the fact that they need your money is a racial issue. As I posted much earlier, slavery came from seeing members of another race as a commodity, and I dont see how this is any different. So actually, it was me that brought race into the debate, not the OP.

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And, the unborn/born child's rights *do not outweigh the right of the surrogate mother not to be harmed or exploited either.

Bogey - Quite. It seems very much like a modern form of colonialism to me.

Stop - you've provided no evidence that UK based legislation would be unenforceable, instead you are saying that barring the children produced by surrogacy from the UK would cause those children to suffer.

Causing someone to suffer is not the same thing as legislation being unenforceable.

We bar people from the UK every day, causing huge suffering and often separating families, that's a known side effect of immigration legislation.

Again people being unhappy does not equal legislation being unenforceable.

The surrogate parents who chose to flout the UK legislation would either have to stay in India, or settle in another country. You don't accidentally decide to become a parent via surrogacy, so if they proceed with using a woman as a surrogate, despite knowing that the child will not be allowed to live in the UK, then they only have themselves to blame for the consequences.

If they have children via surrogacy, and then they're not allowed to bring them into the UK, then primarily the people who will suffer for that is the children.

But knowing that they cant bring their children back to the UK without the relevant legislation being satisfied will prevent them from spending thousands on surrogacy without first going through the required red tape. Those children will not be born until the parents are sure they will be brought home so legislation in the UK will directly affect that whole process.

And India is an emerging economy, the same as China was 30 years ago. Everything was "Made in China" because they sought to be cheap and accessible in order to ingratiate itself with the monied west, it worked! Now India is trying to do the same thing. It cant compete in manufacturing so it is competing with the only thing it has, cheap labour. Cheap call centre staff, cheap cosmetic surgery and cheap surrogates. Indian officials wont legislate against one of its main exports, the surrogates will be seen as collateral damage by a government determined to take its place amongst the major world powers.

Hello everyone, I'm new here. And i'm going to Ukraine soon for my surrogacy program. Meet a lot of negative comments on here, but I don't think anyone who wrote them experience desperate from not being able to have a child, to become a parent, see how everyone around get pregnant even those who didn't plan it or even didn't want it! YES it's not the easiest question to trust some woman to bear your child, but what else can I do?!
I spend quite a wile to choose a good clinic with contract which will give me a guaranties!
Hope people here will understand me