To be disgusted by Lady Gaga on the x factor tonight?

[happydaze77]

Do itv not realise that the clocks went back and it's only 8:30?! FFS Lady Gaga, put on some clothes!

sorry " some shop windows wouldn't be allowed on TV"

I have a child and I commented that I didnt think it was that much of an issue! How on earth would you know Akifden who has children and who does not?

They have stated it elsewhere

You know what if it's her right to be paraded around near naked (imitating nakedness) then surely it's a parents right to know if something unexpected is coming up in a programe or an advert and decide if its appropriate viewing for their child. Is that really too much to ask? Really?

I don't understand how people with children can bring themselves to be comfortable with the imagery and connotations of these displays.

Out of curiosity cls77 what did your children think?

Whether people have children or not has nothing to do with the way they view GaGa or indeed any other form of art or culture. I find your insistence that it should odd, especially in the context of your stated feminism. I didn't change my tastes when I gave birth, why should I have? Becoming a parent doesn't make one become a different person.

I haven't changed my tastes however I am considerate of what I do and watch around my children. I think that's just being sensible is it not? However it is becoming near impossible to do this with all the soft porn advertising around now. Lets face it that's what it is, dress it up how you like.

I wouldn't give my children alcohol or cigarettes why on earth should someone tell me it's reasonable to expose them to sexualised imagery.....

I can't believe I am having to go to such lengths to explain this.

My daughter has her own opinion of how gaga dresses/acts (she is 11) and is very aware of the current behaviours' being displayed by her old idols like Miley (who she now finds disgusting). If educated into the reasons why someone acts or dresses like that it doesn't mean you necessarily agree or would choose to behave like that. Its called living in society, and realising that people behave the way they do for different reasons. If we isolate our children from everything negative then are we preparing them for adulthood or are they going to be coming down with a huge thump, and feel very alone that they are not aware of this culture - which whether we like it or not is happening. We actually laughed at gagas performance as odd, but not because it was innappropriate but because it was odd! We even looked away at each other and said if you dont watch her for a bit, you get to hear the music more, and we were debating the whole thing together, isnt that better than "you're not watching that its not appropriate"

And incidentally Akifden it's a parents right to know if something unexpected is coming up in a programe or an advert and decide if its appropriate viewing for their child. They informed viewers several times last week and on Saturday evenings show that Lady Gaga would be on on Sunday, what other warnings would you need? Its Gaga

You daughter is older than my children, we were watching some early morning TV after breakfast this morning and got Gaga's video as part of the O2 advert. It's not really a subject I would broach with under 5's. As I said I don't mind her deciding to do this but adverts shouldn't crop up unexpectedly and I'm not at the watching X factor with my children stage but perhaps there should have been a warning so that parents who object could be prepared. I can even understand that perhaps what she was doing was having a go at Mileys performance but then there's the music video.....

Although you are aware how to handle these topics (you sound like you did a great job) there will be many parents who can't or don't care. What opinions do you think these children form without someone normal to discuss it with?

We all have responsibility.

Like I said previously cls77 I don't watch X factor or indeed and reality drivel I commented on the thread because of the O2 advert feature Gaga's do what you want with my body video at inappropriate times and during inappropriate scheduling

Ds (9) watched it and said that she is nuts and can't sing.

When she first came out she was quite clearly crazy and wearing cold cuts on her face kind of stopped her being as sexualised as other female singers gyrating in their bra and pants. As time as gone on her music has taken a downward turn and I feel quite sorry for her. I don't think she is this great feminist icon that she is held up as being. She seems very vulnerable and I just wish she would wear some clothes.

I think it is sad that successful pop stars (male or female) feel that they have to writhe around the stage in a suggestive, lurid manner in order to get on TV and sell their music. If you are a good enough musician you don't need to do this as your talent will shine through. Or they have some sort of need to desperately seek attention or shock. If children watch this on TV they will want to copy.

Just when I had lost my faith in common sense, I wish there was a like button!

Feel better now happydaze77?

my dds aged 14 and 13 burst out laughing as did our older lads.

she was dancing in what looked like control pants and looked ridiculous.

she can't sing or dance and is only famous for being daft.

Akifden I completely agree with your O2 morning television complaint, weve only seen that ad once and it is too much. The sad thing is that Gaga is a very talented singer/songwriter, but the behaviour/dresscode is affecting peoples perception of her and taking away from the fact that she is a fabulous talent (look up YouTube Stephanie Germanotta, or Gaga RadioOneLive at the piano only) and you will see the talent without all the act.

"Long term societal implications"????? Lol!

Clutch away at your pearls,whilst I watch Gaga being fab and original as ever.

Oh, and I think they were going on about 'societal implications' over fifty years ago when a guy called Elvis was clutching his cock on stage and making women faint.
The complaints did fuck all then too.

cls77 I have some of her albums, I actually have quite wide and varried taste in music some of it I know is unsuitable for my children due to language etc but it doesn't stop my appreciating and enjoying it when they're not around ( I actually have a life despite my dedicated presence today ) Thanks I'll look up the suggestions.

I'm pleased someone understood what I'm trying to say. I think she was perhaps having a go at Miley on X factor but I still think music videos and artist appearances are too much. The reason the advert has snuck through is because as I society we appear to be accepting of it.

It's historically how societies boundaries are pushed little by little. At the end of the day performers are in it to make money and they know sex = publicity = money

yeah and it's not changed that much since the early days of rock half a century ago, only then it was mostly men like Jim Morrisson and Elvis clutching their groins and having sex with the camera to shift records. People like sex and I can't be worried about 'societal implications'
Anyone would think Gaga had a gang bang on stage Sunday night, judging by some of the odd reactions here.

Usuallyright you're totally missing the point go and put your head back wherever it's most comfortable

And just how often would they be seen on camera? Answer? Not very often at all, we live in a very different age of instant media. Not many children under 5 would have seen Elvis.

Akifden I would ask you if you meant to be so rude to usually but it's clear you did

What opinions do you think these children form without someone normal to discuss it with? - define 'normal' - is it someone who agrees with you? Or can anyone be normal?

Also I think children under 5 are the ones we shouldn't be worried about. They have no context - it's just a silly lady wearing a bikini singing a song, or Elvis groin-thrusting. Incidentally Elvis was considered so shocking that even hearing him on the radio was a corrupting influence - no need for instant media.