To have really lost respect for Jenni Murray

[Mumsex]

NC specially for this.

DM article today (not linking to those cunts) in which she reckoned some things should not be shared even anonymously on sites such as Mumsnet. She also thinks we should be renamed "Mumsex" and questioned how pleased we would be if our male partners were talking about intimate details of our sex live and swearing on line, even anonymously.

I don't know about everyone else, but my DH is a big boy and might swear on the internet. I doubt he discusses our sex life, but if it was anonymous and he did to make someone laugh, or to help them, so what?

Jenni is shocked, even with all her knowledge of women's history at the swearing and the fact we share details of weirdest places we have had sex amongst other things. We also advice people to LTB at every little problem and some things should be kept in the bedroom.

Jenni, you silly cow, Mothers (they are women, you know) are as sexual as men. The chat on here and advice given has helped me have more orgasms in the last 4 moths than I have ever had in my life. That is a biggie to me. I know other Mothers (ie, women) have been helped in this way too. Should we be ashamed of liking sex, of wanting to find out more, of finding it funny, of wanting to compare notes anonymously?

LTB is not trotted out at every occasion, the pervasive tone of relationships is "take no shit". Is that so hard to understand? I thank my lucky stars every day for my DH, but I know if I had to put up with half of what is cited on some of the relationship threads, I would rather be (and would be) on my own.

So IABU is saying, STFU Jenni, and take your censorious attitude back to the 50's. I for one, won't STFU. Nice attempt to silence mothers again, and put them back in their place.

[thebody]

people who think its generational have never worked with old people.

I nursed in an elderly care unit and some of the stories told me by older women would make your hair curl!

the imminence of sudden death in the war definatly made for a live now fuck the future mindset.

the 60s were a joke really. ( so I was told as not that old)

[curlew]

A generational thing? Oh for fuck's sake, who do you think campaigned for the freedoms you take for granted today?

[Pixel]

Well I do find the swearing annoying and unnecessary but not enough to stop reading, I sort of skim over it nowadays. I hear worse if forced to sit on a bus full of schoolkids, some of the language they come out with is shocking.

I think all this hype about the sex and filth is highly exaggerated, there are the occasional threads but it's hardly a 'hijack' and they are easy enough to avoid if you want to spend your life discussing nappies .
I love Mumsnet, it frequently makes me laugh and where else accepts that people have diverse interests in their lives and may want to discuss different subjects? I can come on here and be having a conversation about SN education simultaneously with one about chicken keeping or swinging naked from a chandelier if I so wish. There's so much more to it than a few hilarious references to kinky sex but I don't suppose JM took any notice as it didn't suit her purposes.

[Mumsex]

Yes Curlew, look at Betty Dodson; she's in her 80's and is my heroine.

[Boardingblues]

Curlew - I meant the use of internet forums (fora?), not women having an interest in sex or views on a range of matters. I am quite well aware of the history of the emancipation of women and the feminist movement, I didn't think the point was so hard to understand, for fuck's sake!

[BasilFucker]

LOL at the plaintive posts

[IsisOhIsis]

So, I clicked on the DM link (against my usual morals but I really like JM so had to see what the fuss was about). 1st thing I noticed, there is a photo of a young, very scantily clad woman in an article harping on about "smut"! That would be hilarious if the double standardwasn't so fucking depressing.

[ThisIsBULLSHIT]

fairylea is in the paper!!!!!!!!!!!

I love the bit about having to go and ask a Young Person!

[Yermina]

Not really interested in JM or the DM, but OP - can you pad out your comment re: 4 times as many orgasms? Just the 'how' and not the 'why' if you please.

[Mumsex]

Yermina, PM comin' at ya...

[Finest]

I just think it's hilarious that "Ann Summers & 50 Shades have a lot to answer for". Really!

[LEMisafucker]

What a shame she didn't move past the media hype she would have received lots of support and advice about her health issues. I did have to laugh at the opening gambit though on women's hour we use words like breast and even testicle even though we know men sometimes listen

[Mumsex]

I am sooo tempted to go on the next phone on WH under false pretences and then when on air, tell her what I really think.

[EBearhug]

I don't like all the sweariness, actually, because it's making me more sweary, and it's going to come out at work at some point in a situation where it would not be good, I suspect. I know this is my problem and mine alone, but if you could all type with more respectable language more often... nah, sod it. If someone could just do my actual job, and I can be paid to chat on here instead, that's the best solution.

[curlew]

I find it really depressing that all the feminists throughout history appear to have struggled, fought and died to gain women the freedom to use misogynist swear words..........

[Mumsex]

That's such a small part of it though Curlew. Feminists throughout history didn't fight so that I could use the word "cunt", it is so much bigger than than and we are so much bigger than the small word that is "cunt". They fought for our right to vote, for our contraceptive choices, they fought towards equal pay and against the patriarchy. We stand on their shoulders.

Is it a misogynistic word? Why? I think it is quite a sexy word in the right context and I am not talking about porn.

[Birdsgottafly]

I think that any article that has "Filth or depravity", in it (as every article linked to does), when all this site does is help women to have better sex and relationships, should be ignored and those writing it shouldn't be defended, just because once upon a time they may have said something relevant.

Women and children (seeming as it is females that are being told to not share) wouldn't have suffered to the extent they did from DV/EA etc as they have done, if the advice given on MN would of been freely available years ago.

We wouldn't have had to live with the Victim Blaming that happened even in Courts, but especially in the media.

I lost any respect I had for JM when she spouted the crap about her weight battle.

Her article is completely laughable, I would love to know which school of feminist thought she ascribes to, or the literature that influenced her (as she has claimed in the past).

Feminist books that I read quite early, in the 70's, that had been my Mother's and Sister's, urged that women talk openly about being female.

This meant all aspects, Fertility, their sex lives, the correct names for body parts and most of all, that Periods were not to be hidden away, because that assumes that the default is Male and our experiences are secondary and not as important.

She has become another older Woman contributer to the DM agenda (and others), who should know better, it is sad to see so many chat bollocks (literally at times) to heap a bit of attention.

[Birdsgottafly]

Should of been "grab a bit of attention" bloody auto correct.

[Pawprint]

The silly, smug mare should look at the threads that support people with drink problems, mental illness etc.

[octopusinastringbag]

There was a similar article in the telegraph this week.

[MrsCakesPremonition]

I read most of the article - if I'm going to judge someone, I need to read what they've written. She didn't suggest we be renamed Mumsex - just that other commentators had said this and the rest of the article just felt like a regurgitation of other recent media items about MN.

But when she started talking about penis beaker and said "No one said yuk! Or expressed any degree of shock or surprise, even though what seemed to have been revealed was the kind of information you would simply never even discuss with your best and most trusted friend, let alone a vast group of complete strangers." I realised that she was talking out of her arse as the thread full of people expressing surprise and shock.
I don't believe that she has even bothered to log on to MN before writing the article and for that reason alone I am very, very disappointed in her.

[hiddenhome]

I'm quite strait laced, but I can't say the chat about sex bothers me in the slightest. Neither does the swearing. Women are human after all. The threads about sex are few and far between tbh.

I wonder what she'd make of the poo chats we have

[flippinada]

MN is about a lot more than sex chat. It's a tiny part of the site - however that sort of prurient nonsense is what gets people reading.

I've been here about ten years on and off and have somehow managed to avoid threads about sex. It's not hard.

[flippinada]

When I refer to prurient nonsense, I mean the shock horror mums talk about rude things type article, not MN.