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to be sad that my dd will lose out on a relationship with her cousin? (long)

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KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 11:34

Have namechanged in case "sil" is a mumsnetter although I think that is highly unlikely.

After years/months of tension the shit finally hit the fan last night re bil and his gf.

Background: bil is flakey at best. Began letting DH down a couple of years ago - not going his stag do or even for a drink the week before the wedding. Took a room at the hotel for our wedding then cancelled last minute meaning it couldn't be used by anyone else from our families. Was round our house constantly when between girlfriends but noticeably absent when he's got onward on the go.

Fast forward to March and they have a dd. Think the fact I got pregnant a few months after them causes some bad feeling due to "stealing their thunder". We make an effort to go round but sil doesn't talk to us and actually hides upstairs. Its so awkward as we can hear her moving around and watching tv up there. Before anyone says she wants to feed the baby in private you should know she would leave the baby downstairs. We cool off omissions visiting as we feel so unwelcome.

For full disclosure on the birth of my niece we bought some clothes, a photo frame and gave her a cheque made out to her for them to set up a savings account with. Now in my family that is a normal thing to do. I know my parents got several cheques to pay in for me when I was born.

Fast forward to July and our own dd arrived. Bil and sil failed to come and visit at all. When she was a few weeks old we were invited to go round there which we did to be polite. They gave our dd nothing. Now I'm not a grabby person and knew they are not well off but a card? Or a £2 bib or something? Obviously nothing was said as I'm not a rude bitch but I did feel a bit sad that they couldn't be bothered with my dd. Again sil is still doing her ignoring us act.

Forgot to say they are the same with my mil. Barely talk to her. Sil hiding upstairs and making her feel really unwelcome.

Mil has been getting increasingly upset. She is such a doting grandmother constantly knitting and buying stuff, none of which seems to be appreciated. The attitude seems to be that they want sil's family to be the only ones to buy anything for their dd.

They've been cancelling mil going round and being funny when she's there (she only goes once a fortnight for a couple of hours it's hardly over the top). They cancelled again yesterday and mil got really upset. After months of keeping it all in she wrote bil a message explaining how she felt as he would not talk to her. He then rang her spitting bile (sorry to drip feed he was drunk - he is probably an alcoholic as he drinks every day to excess). Ranting about her and me randomly. Mil rang my DH in tears to talk to him about it.

Now I knew it was a bad idea but DH messaged Bil to tell him he'd upset their mother. DH then received a phonecall from bil. Highlights from that: DH is barely his brother anyway.... I'm nothing to do with their family and I'm nothing to them.... I flash my cash, he doesn't want his daughter to have a fucking bank account... we were wrong to have bought dn anything on her birth as that was showing off.... he's had enough of DH and will come round to beat him up... we havent made enough effort with his daughter...

DH hung up when he started threatening violence. He then tried to call several times. We locked up and went to bed and I barely slept worrying that he was about to come and force his way in (as he had threatened). Dd is only 3.5 months and I don't need that stress.

Bil then rang DH's stepdad to tell him he hated him too then put one of those passive aggressive facebook attention seeking posts on.

We need to sever contact I think but I do feel sad that the cousins won't be growing up together in the way I'd imagined. We are also upset about losing contact with our niece.

Am thinking about setting up a savings account for dn and putting in a bit on her birthday/Christmas to give to her when she is 18. Is that a horrific idea? We just don't want her to think we don't care.

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KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 11:34

God that's long sorry!

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KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 12:08

Haha either iabu or no-one's made it to the end of my mammoth essay!

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eatriskier · 21/10/2013 12:17

I don't have much practical advice for you. Personally, I'd leave them be now. If they complain you do nothing then that's their problem, they made themselves pretty clear.

As for the bank account I really wouldn't. How would you feel if a family member you had told to back off did that to for your child? Also, I'm not sure you actually can set it up without their permission, at least not in her name anyway.

Sorry they're being like this, and I'm sorry for your poor MIL too. Flowers

angelfire · 21/10/2013 12:24

Leave well alone.
Permitting any kind of relationship for the sake of your DD is just an avenue for them to continue in the same vein.
And no - don't save any money - your kindness has been misinterpreted before - things wont change

Sorry - sometimes people behave like this

Pagwatch · 21/10/2013 12:24

Stop with the money thing.

If you have no other on tact but then send her money on her 18th it will mean nothing and will just perpetuate what they think (however irrationally) that you are trying to be flash.

If you want your DN to feel that you care about her then send her cards and gifts on her birthday and Christmas. You won't know if she gets them but you will have tried. Soon enough she will be big enough to find out about her extended family if she wants to.

mattsmadmum · 21/10/2013 12:24

let them get on with it-i have cousins i wouldnt spit on in the street and goes for my kids too
you dont need the grief

DoJo · 21/10/2013 12:27

I think you need to leave the dust to settle for a while, particularly given that all this was said when your BIL was drunk. He may repent in the cold hard light of day, he may not, but I wouldn't worry too much about doing things for the long term like the savings account - you have enough to think about at the moment so just leave things be and see how the land lies in a couple of months.

Turquoiseblue · 21/10/2013 12:37

Agree with the others. They sound irrational, jealous and I doubt that you ll get through to them.
If you want dn to know about you send Christmas gifts and birthday presents. I wouldn't do the bank account thing as it s a bit much really, and you could be accused again of overstepping.

KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 12:38

eatriskier yes I realised it would have to be opened in my name. I think you're right that it would cause more grief later on. I just don't understand. Anyone would think I'd chucked a few grand at them. I'm really not like that.

I think I may take follow your advice pagwatch although after what was said last night apparently anything we get will be construed as flash.

I know what you mean dojo but DH and I were so hurt by some of the things that were said (particularly the "barely a brother" comment) that I'm not sure we will beable to mend things. And we know from the past that if things are to be mended it will have to be us doing

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KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 12:38

.... the running.

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KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 12:45

Mil is in bits. I really feel they've used her. Got her to make cakes for sil's family events etc. Shes just finished knitting a lovely pram blanket for sil's sister.

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LimitedEditionLady · 21/10/2013 13:05

Me amd my sibling nearly fell out but sorted it out and i decided i was gping to save money for my niece and nephew on bday and xmas if i didnt see them.not to show off thats stupid but to show then i never forgot and wanted to see them and also bevause i couldnt stand the idea that id be gifting the others and not them.

LimitedEditionLady · 21/10/2013 13:09

Theres also the thing that i couldve sent gifts and they might not have been given them.

Sallykitten · 21/10/2013 13:13

Sorry, but I suspect we only have half the story here. Your attitude towards them does sound really scornful. I'm also not entirely convinced that the hiding upstair business was completely unprovoked.

Also it sounds like you are getting involved in your husband's family and playing your MIL against your SIL.

I think sometimes with in-laws you just have to accept that they don't like you and take a step back.

I would stay away from them. The SIL obviously doesn't want a relationship with you and you say you don't want one with them. So why not just take a step back and allow the brothers to have a relationship just between the two of them and also the cousins if necessary?

My SIL and I don't like each other, but we just don't see each other. We see her kids and her husband but me, DH and DS don't see her. It's no skin off my nose, really the wife of your husband's brother is not someone it's particularly important to have a good relationship with.

quoteunquote · 21/10/2013 13:13

It's sad, but there is nothing you can do,

He is an alcoholic, she is living with that, he will be blaming his short coming on how hard done by he was growing up, she choosing to live with that version of events, you all are cast as bad guys, withdraw gracefully, until they sort themselves out.

Send a card and present for birthdays.

Damnautocorrect · 21/10/2013 13:38

Oh gosh you poor thing, I'm sad to say (from personal experience) the ripples of this will continue to be felt for a long time. Back away, personally I like the savings account idea (mainly because I do the same!). That way as time goes on she's been thought about, but don't tell them what your doing. Be prepared whatever you do will be wrong e.g you send gifts, wrong. You don't, wrong. Also expect other family to be dragged in.
It is very very hard, especially as your the in law. So you'll feel partly guilty, unable to deal with it as it's not 'your' family. Your poor mil, I bet she's in bits.

VodkaJelly · 21/10/2013 14:24

Cut your losses and stay away.

BIL and SIL clearly dislike you and your DH and sound unhinged about it.

do you really want that sort of poison round your daughter?

Screamqueen · 21/10/2013 14:34

Sometimes it time to cut your losses so to speak, it can be hard with family but I get the feeling anything you do will be seen as wrong. Has your DHs relationship with his brother been strained in the past?

RigglinJigglin · 21/10/2013 14:54

Got the same feeling as sally - not quite the full story perhaps.

With the bank and money thing some people may perceive this as flashy. Personally I do the same but also have had a couple of strange reactions to it.

It appears as though they have issue with accepting gifts, or money problems. That may explain the hotel thing. Maybe that some gifts seem fancy and makes them feel insecure perhaps.

Re: hiding upstairs. I have to admit I do the same, I'll say hello / be reasonably polite to BIL and SIL but I can not stand them (feeling is mutual towards me too!) They turn up announced with their pfb who expect to ooh and aah over.

They are prententious beyond all belief and I share no interests with them. Plus BIL has been extraordinarily rude to me in my own house and reduced me to tears in the past. It's easier if they visit for me to be 'doing jobs' otherwise I'd happily tell them to FTFO.

KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 15:15

Obviously I can only give our side of the story as I honestly have no idea why they are being like this.

With regard to me "getting involved" - I haven't. If you reread you'll sew that all the conversations were between DH's family.

I guess there's nothing I can say to convince you that I'm not a pretentious cow. If sil has taken offence to anything I honestly don't know what it would have been. If anything it's been her that's behaved scornfully towards me. I'm quite a bit younger than DH/bil and sil and can be quite shy. Bil has used that before to be mean. He enjoys making me squirm.

I really don't get in the way of the two brothers sally I'm not sure where you've got that from. Bil used to come here and DH used to go to bils solo too. I would never get in the way.

That I understand rigglin if someone made me cry in my own home I would not be happy about the coming round. Nothing like that has happened here though. I think maybe we need to accept that sil dislikes all of us.

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KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 15:17

scream no. It's gradually happened over the last few years. Since sil has been around actually thinking about it. I think some of you are right. She doesn't like us. That's fair enough just think it would be more honest to say that.

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KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 15:18

vodka no I don't. And I don't want to create a bad atmosphere for DN either. Think it's best to stay away for both children if they dislike us that much Sad I'm such a people pleaser I hate to be disliked [sado emoticon]

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LimitedEditionLady · 21/10/2013 15:26

Maybe theybe got money/relationship problems and you wind them up a bit because they might think theyre being compared?obviously i dont know

KibethTheDisreputableDog · 21/10/2013 16:25

Could be limited I know they stretched themselves to buy their house and sil is on the unpaid bit of mat leave atm. Also bil has previously said that the reason sil is funny with mil is because they've been arguing before mil goes round which would suggest the garden may not be rosy. She used to chuck him out occasionally although she hasn't since the baby arrived.

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LimitedEditionLady · 21/10/2013 16:32

Maybe sil feels a bit like shes being judged or that mil will think the arguments are all her fault.Have you tried bonding with her in any way shape or form?shes obviously hiding because shes insecure or is afraid of what the conversation will be

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