To ask MN to ban the term "slut shaming"?

[BratinghamPalace]

That really, for obvious reasons. Have just been reading the Sinead o Connor/Miley Cyrus thread. (Will be gone for a while and check back later).

YABU, yes. It is a recognisable phrase from the feminist lexicon.

ERm....what is slut shaming and why is it offensive?

Not being provocative, I have just never heard it before.

First time I've ever heard it too

This explains the phrase and what it refers to.

So to use the phrase to describe a situation or conversation "Why are you so intent on Slut Shaming Miley Cyrus?" is not offensive but to use it as (say) a caption on a photo of MC with a new man would be?

Sorry, I know how I feel about feminist issues, but am not particularly up on the language!

So is it the term you want banning or the practice??

Can we use slag instead or is that worse?

Eh? Why would you want to ban a useful and descriptive phrase that is widely used?

Vinegar I think the OP thinks it's a hateful term towards women...

I think that the phrase is ok but the action isnt. Is that right?

Because how and why should the subject be described as a slut in the first place? ( eg MC debate)

MC?

Never heard of it before - horrible expression.

That being said, I loathe the hypersexualisation of the music industry and the fact that so many young women are happy to sell themselves in this way.

If I have understood it correctly Bratingham, it refers to the view of the person doing the "shaming" rather than the subject themselves.

Basically, it is a description of what happens when somebody criticises a woman for her sexual appearance or behaviour, because they want her to feel shame. It is exposing the fact that their criticism effectively boils down to calling her a 'slut', with all the misogynistic history of that word.

It is not saying that the word 'slut' with all its connotations is an acceptable term for a woman. It does, however, use the shock of the word itself to sum up the misogyny behind the views of the commentators who want women to behave or dress more modestly.

It is not uncontroversial, because feminists are not all the same: some believe in free sexual expression, whereas others think it is impossible under patriarchy, and that dressing in an overtly sexual way etc is contributing to the objectification of women rather than being empowering.

Does that make sense?

I think it is a description of the type of shaming not of the subject.

Right Bogey but it seems to me that the language is all wrong. Because it somehow accepts the premise of "slut". And I think that is wrong.

Or to put it another way, it's saying "Woah there, you say you want her to respect herself, but actually you're just calling her slut, aren't you? Out of order, mate."

Slut shaming is not an insult. Slut shaming is what misogenists do to women who for whatever reason they deem to be a slut.

Example....
A woman goes out and gets drunk and makes out with two men at the same time. She gets called a slut,tramp,slag.
A man goes out and gets drunk and makes out with two women at the same time. He gets called a legend,king. The two women involved get called slut,tramp,slag.

So op by wanting to ban the phrase 'slut shaming' you agree that women should be victimised for expressing their sexuality?

That may well be Freaking but that the intended result is not there. So in your example it should highlight the injustice of your first example. It does not do it clearly enough. All it does is reinforces on some level that she is in fact, A SLUT! See what I mean?

Quite the opposite PASS. I am a hate the term because it attaches to a woman, any woman the term slut and I strongly disagree with that.

Horrible expression. No woman is a slut. But yes YABU to ask MN to ban the phrase.

But that's what the shamers think.

Did you read the link BOF posted?

Aww come on Grennie.........