Its not okay is it? sitting/ standing in the shopping part of the trolley?

[Feminine]

I'm sure this has been done many times.

I'm thinking about it today though

If your child is too big to want or can't fit in the seat part you don't then let them climb in the other part of the trolley?

Filthy dirty feet where I'll put my food.

Standing up (dangerous)

I'm not being unreasonable to suggest that its the seat, or walk right?

I saw this with several families yesterday...it got up my nose

Oh and I know there are germs everywhere... this makes it worse

The trolleys are germ ridden anyway. Anything that makes my life easier, yes dd3 goes in the shopping part f the trolley.

I sometimes put DD (age 3) in the basket part of one of those small trollies if I only need a few bits.

I fucking hate food shopping with children in tow.

I should add I only do it in the deep trollies, not the shallow trollies that he could topple out of if he stood up.

There's probably more germs on the handle of a trolley tbh. The amount of people that quickly pop to the loo before shopping and don't wash their hands. People sneezing into their hands or scratching their arses. They then touch that handle that you touch with the same hands you pick the food off the shelves with.

I rarely see toddlers/3 year olds waalking happily with trollies though on a big supermarket shop. if I was a mum (the big if) I don't think I'd like to do that either. A man with a van (Ocado) - yes please, who carries the bags for you. JOY. No more kids going mad for M&S Peppa Pigs or whatever they are... at the checkout - I see M&S didn't get the memo re keeping sweets away from checkout for kids' sakes.

buggies/baskets and young kids - yes, I see them walking etc - but even then, fractious kids, the joy of the M&S self scanning tills etc - and sweets/crisps near our Wimbledon branch - I've seen a few screaming youngsters and no wonder. Especially when said kids would rather be in the playpit/on toy machines upstairs (next to H&M).

Squeaky: 'Make your child walk and make them behave properly.'?

Is this a wind up? You sound like you're talking about a badly treated dog, not a child. I hope you don't have any dc's. I'm seeing flashing scenes from Flowers in the Attic. 'YOU [WHIP] WILL [WHIP] DO [WHIP] AS YOU ARE TOLD!!! [WHIP WHIP WHIP]

My eyes! My eyes!

This bothers you? Lots of people do it. Should children be banned from ever eating sweets because it might tempt some people who have taught their children to always eat lentils?

random - was going to say something but as a non parent here thought I'd be shot down...

Flowers in the Attic - now there's a blast from the past?? perfect parenting guide, no??

How can squeakytoy be trying to wind anyone up? What's wrong with making your child walk and making them behave properly? My kids have never been allowed to sit in the food bit of the trolley. I haven't had to whip them into walking around a shop with me. Think back to the 70s when those supermarkets started up everywhere (if you're old enough). You never saw kids in trolleys unless they were in the child seat in the front. Those were so uncomfortable that lots of children would rather have walked. Kids trailed along next to mum, usually bored shitless, but perfectly able to walk. Before that, they trailed up and down the street from grocer to greengrocer to butcher etc etc. If you can't take a couple of infant school age kids around a supermarket without sitting them in a wire cage on wheels, you're doing something wrong. And don't start on the 'but my kid's got SN' stuff. Most (I did not say ALL) but most children can be taught to get round a supermarket using their FEET. Oh FGS. Rant over (for now).

Charlottehere Anything that makes my life easier Oh dear.

I agree hope

Is it a recent thing that children can't make it round the shop? I woldn't have been allowed to sit in the food part (70's) I think my Mum would have been asked by the shop to remove me

I blame the E numbers.

jeward yes. Ban sweets also.

Never come to Denmark OP. Children of all ages in the trolley part. In fact, the only child I have ever seen using the seat is mine. Some of the time. And they scream in the library too.

ok I agree with last 2 posters - but what about under 5's who get tired and fractious??

and would you walk with toddler/3 year old or put in trolley? I know what I'd do.

With a friend's 2-3 year old (who I went out with a few times) she rarely took her shopping and when she did (and this was a saintly child mostly) it took forever and a day as kids that age can be slow, want to help. call me a sadist but I'd rather take them somewhere fun rather than drag them round M&S/Tescos.

But the SN point is relevant. Is it OK for children with SN? If so then, unless children with SN are abnormally clean or extra-specially unlikely to injure themselves, it's hard to come up with reasons why it's wrong for other children, other than Because It Just Is.

also to those who say about the trolley stuff being bad and why can't kids walk round shops?

well why did supermarkets invent home delivery and why is it a god send?!

Pachahuti - call me mean but in my day (said in shouty voice) we didn't have SN.

kids were either brats or they weren't. awaits flames, ties self to wood for burning martyr-time.

in fact I heard of 1 kid being dyslexic when I was a kid and my brother being asthmatic. EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.

and psst - I know kids who are autistic so I know it exists. their parents are saints though.

Personally, I am lucky to have a bonsai toddler who will probably fit in the child seat until she's about thirty...

pac my brother has SN. I don't remember that he needed to ride in the food part?

And that is okay then red?

I've been to Norway, it is the same scene.

My sister has lived there 20 years, she is the one who places her 8 yr old daughter in the food bit. I was trying to teach my (then) 3 year old to walk , or go in the seat!

is anyone ever able to get it right?

I have read people on here criticising people who allow their toddlers to walk round supermarkets, who put their toddlers into the main part of the trolley, who can't stand screaming children.

Do what suits you best I say.

"And don't start on the 'but my kid's got SN' stuff"

Did you mean to be so rude?

I posted very reasonably about why my son travels in the trolley. Most pushchair users have children small enough to fit in the seat. OP agreed that more adaptable trolleys should be available and someone else stated that the wheelchair types are unsuitable.

It would never occur to me to worry about the hygiene but my sister still has the physical scars and my mum the mental ones from the time dsis tipped over a trolley.......

Do I really need to point out, Feminine, that there are different types of SN, with differing severity?

The official advice back in our day was for parents to institutionalise children with autism and get on with their lives. So you probably didn't run into many, no. And yes, diagnosis (and probably incidence, although you can argue about that till the cows come home) rates have increased since then. But then diagnosis rates for hearing loss have increased over a similar period; does that mean that back in the day we didn't have children with mild or moderate hearing loss or with congenital unilateral deafness (presumably kids just didn't bother to listen properly?).