EDL....

[DandyFloss]

I am a regular who has name changed for this thread.

I would like to have a discussion about EDL. I want to know exactly why people find them so abhorrent and why it is such a taboo subject.

I dislike militant Islam, it is a dangerous movement and it really frightens me. A family friend was killed in 9/11 and it was a horrible horrible tragedy.

I have two mixed race children, my DH is mixed race, I would not say I'm racist or xenophobic.

As far as I can gather EDL oppose militant Islam, and this alone.

Why does this make them racist? Surely militant Islam, although a very small proportion of Islam, should be opposed?

Cat - please read my posts properly before you comment on them. I said some muslims around here brag that they are going to take over, not all of them.

adventure you have a major anti islam axe to grind though as this isn't the first time you have taken a thread in this direction.

My post was meant for FlaFla .

I know a lot of people from Burnley & they are all white .

Okay. Can you read mine properly too then?

I didn't imply that you think all Muslims are extremists.

take your own advice - can't see anywhere where Cat has said you said ALL Muslims :)

I am speaking the truth. I have muslim friends who are worried about muslim extremism. Should they not talk about it either?

Flap I haven't a clue what you mean by 'how far off the truth i am' brain may of gone to sleep

No one has said that.

I just pointed out that not just Muslims can be extremists.

I worry about extremists on all sides

This is a thread about the EDL. They oppose islamic extremism. Most muslims in the UK hopefully oppose it too. It sounds like they have a lot in common then.

The EDL oppose everyone who isn't white and British, not just Muslim extremists.

Have you even read the thread?

it's like Ground Hog Day

I don't think you will get an apology Youthecat

I have also never heard/seen a Muslim preacher or had them knocking at my door every dam day trying to convert me like the local Jehovas witnesses & Christians who just won't take a hint .
Muslims do not stand in the middle of town preaching via loud speaker telling my Ds that he will go to hell if he doesn't go to church , where I am its the Christians trying to convert everybody & shove Christianity down everyones throats but they seem to be blameless as they are white

I doubt it.

Cat - yes I have read the thread, but I have also seen footage of EDL leaders telling racists that they're not welcome on their marches.

I've also seen lots of footage of muslims shouting for sharia in the UK.

Why though? Why would you choose to trust the extremists to define 'jihad' for you, when how they define it is contrary to the teaching of Islam and also contrary to how pretty much every Muslim themselves would define it?

Yes, lovely publicity footage.

Not what I've seen in real life.

I've seen Tory's saying they stand up form working families - people LIE all the time

Fwiw the Muslim people that I know despair at this lazy shorthand that 'jihad' means 'holy war' - they don't want the extremists' view to become common currency and, as pretty much every Muslim has a personal jihad of their own and consider it to be a deeply spiritual matter, it is horrible for them to hear the word bandied around in this way, either by the extremists or by ignorant bigots.

Wallison - because 'devout Muslims' are, in the majority, very silent in the UK and I haven't a clue what jihad means to them. They know about the radicals, but do nothing and say nothing, so the radical are the voices that we hear.

Well, maybe you shouldn't use words if you can't be arsed to educate yourself as to their meaning. Just a thought.

Why would I be interested in educating myself about Muslim words? Couldn't give a damn, tbh. They can live their quiet lives and hopefully let me live mine.

Doubt if any Muslims know the meaning of the word sacrist either !

And ordinary Muslims are hardly 'very silent' - every time some extremist commits any sort of act whether by word or deed, some poor soul from the Muslim Council of Britain gets wheeled onto the News to say that they don't agree with what the extremists are doing. Does the Archbishop of Canterbury get such requests to state the fucking blatantly obvious when fellow members of his faith shoot someone in Ireland?

Because you're using them.

Thanks for starting this thread OP.

As a result I have read more about EDL and have joinedHope Not Hate, which campaigns against extremist groups including the EDL, BNP and Al Muhajiroun.