to think that 8.30 am is too early to skin up

[drwitch]

it seems to be getting more and more common round us (dads doing it while walking their children to school, people doing it before opening up their shops for day)

I am just really surprised that it is done so much in public

Yanbu.

Wow, I clicked this thread to find out what skinned up meant. I've only ever seen one mum smoke in the school car park so definitely no weed where we live. I didn't realise people did weed after the age of 21. Truly shocked by some attitudes on here.

SINFUL1 i have had clients delusional, paranoid and sectioned for their own safety.Violent aggressive, ants eating them inside out, people in p,ug sockets that come out to take over their bodies...shall I continue?
Is my experience not as good as yours? Being in a room with someone you know who has "disappeared" for want of a better term? Physically assaulted? Have I reached parity with you yet? THis isn't a pissing contest.

japonica
but you forget that the people you encounter are those who are not coping with their substance usage .... a very small minority of the total number of users.

THe equivalent is to plan the layout of a Wetherspoons along the same lines as a high dependency alcoloholism clinic ...

most drinkers are not alcoholics
most smokers never have dealings with the medical profession

My arguement was about Skunk specifically. I happen to believe that this effect is not confined to people who's usage is out of control. These are just the ones who have come to seek help. There are those who's use is impacting their lives and those around them but have not come for help. just like the alcoholics drinking White Lightening and very happy to believe that there isn't a problem.
I( also want to know whether or not the criminal gangs who make serious money out of cannabis are going to happily turn over their earnings and living to the government? Don't know if anyone can answer that. I do believe in legalisation but i cannot see how skunk can be included.

smokers are different from other groups in that they DO deal with Doctors for frequency of chest infections, bronchitis, heart disease, respitory complaints of many different tones, emphysema. Smokers clog up the medical system more than other groups. also see cannabis smokers.

"skunk" - define please
compared to other types of cannabis currently available on the market?

Because as far as I can see "skunk" is just tabloid shorthand for UK grown grass ....

You said first hand stoned and psychotic where hard to distinguish that's not true you sound very much like your.confusing a mentally I'll person/someone who is psychotic and stoned with someone who is just stoned.

Plus you keep rabbiting on about "skunk" wanna give us a rough degree to what you mean by that, are you talking about specifically a high thc content or are you implying a different canaboid.devoid in other strains.

In your.mind is skunk a specific strain/breed or just anything green.

Cause.it's like.differentiating between whiskey an beer, you can get just as pissed off one. The other it just takes more

Not read the whole thread so sorry If it's already been mentioned but aren't we missing a major point here? Using cannabis does carry certain health risks but so does alcohol and caffeine. The fact is that alcohol and caffeine are legal & cannabis is not. Smoking cannabis in front of children influences them to disregard the law. I'm not against a bit of healthy rebellion but teaching children that they can pick and choose which laws they want to abide by is surely not the way forward.

Skunk is a hybrid of cannabis plants paticularly high thc content. It is like comparing for instance a spirit with a high alcohol volume to something that is not. There is also illegal stills (poteen, vodka) which can kill and have done so due to dirty still equipment or other substances being put into the liquid to fill it out.

I have worked with the mentally ill. I have worked with people who are psychotic and people experiencing psychosis induced by skunk use, I have also had clients sectioned in the state caused by persistent long term use of skunk, not just a blast off a bit of grass....I do know the difference. Please stop telling me I don't.

It is very hard to establish differences between strains of cannabis due to the given fact of its illegality. Anyone with a bit growing somewhere's crop will be different from someone elses as there is no standard set, something changing the legal status would rectify. Another reason to make it legal in my mind.

Skunk is not the workaday cannabis, it may be grown in the UK or in other european centres. It is nasty stuff. End of but I cannot see how it can be thrown in with milder forms of cannabis and still be OK

Whether you think it should be legalised is irrelevant. As it stands at the moment it is illegal and therefore in a different category to alcohol, cigs etc. In buying it you are committing an offence and your 'tiny bit' each night means you are generally in possession of class B drugs.

Now you and anyone else is free to do what they like, including committing criminal offences. you may end up losing a well paid job as a result of a conviction which impacts on your children. This idea that people stoned at the school gates are freedom fighters is pathetic.

Also to clarify, I am a substance misuse worker working within the criminal justice system. I see the effects of substance misuse on a daily basis and that includes the effects on families involved. The majority of my cases started smoking cannabis before developing issues with heroin, crack or other heavy end drugs. I've also seen far too many of my clients children grow up & follow the same pattern. I'm not saying that this happens in all cases or even that most cannabis smokers move on to other drugs but children can't always differentiate why it's ok to smoke cannabis but not heroin. Anyone who thinks children would be too young to know the difference between a cigarette and a spliff is naive. Most of my adult clients started using something by the time they were 13 & some were as young as 9. Shocking isn't it?

What different worlds people inhabit.

In my world to 'skin up' means wearing skins for running.

The thread title was confusing....

Smoking pot whilst on the school run is pathetic.

Question : What proportion of the cannabis grown in the UK is 'skunk'?
As whenever cannabis houses are busted the police desribe it as 'skunk'.
Please provide evidence that skunk is not the generic term for UK grown grass.
Botanically, 'skunk' is a variety not a hybrid.
What proportion of cannabis smoked in the UK is still hashish?

Those of you who work in the criminal justice system with drug related people.
You are the equivalent of doctors on a cirrhosis ward.
You never ever see the thousands and thousands of people whose habits do not interfere with holding down steady jobs.
Same as doctors rarely see those who drink in moderation.

This thread is nothing to do with decriminalization, it is about whether someone should be allowed to care for children while under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

Presently, as far as I understand it, if something happened to their child they would be prosecuted for child neglect. Same as people who drink. Trouble is that the drip drip effect of exposing children to intoxicated adults is not legally accountable, so drunks can say 'look, nothing happened' and no prosecution can be made.

There does appear to be a loophole here. My guess is that drug users simply get done for possession and the child neglect factors are ignored.

My neighbour and her husband have a joint at the bottom of their garden every morning, before they head off to their jobs as high school teachers.

passedgo
What about people doing the morning school run at the end of a night shift while on comedown from Red Bull or multiple strong coffees ?

They could lose their jobs, probably deserve to as they don't seem to take their responsibility very seriously.

Oh well, ive obviously led a sheltered life! Never heard of that expression, never seen anybody smoking it (i dont think, but i suppose i wouldnt know what it was!)
Theres another parallel world going on!!!

Definitely too early.

Quite apart from the dependency issues suggested by someone needing it so soon after they get up, the school run? It's not really a winding down sort of time is it, like after the children's bed-time, when MN celebrates Wine O'clock.

You're negotiating rush-hour with small children! I think you need to be fully alert.

definitely too early and in the wrong place - wouldnt think much of someone sucking at a tin of beer on the school run either - time and a place and all that!
but you know plenty of 'tragic weedies' are perfectly successful in life and their chosen professions.

fgs there are worse things happening in the world hardbolied! ss wouldn't do anything about that!

Seriously?! You think it's OK to smoke drugs around kids while in the care of them first thing in a morning and on the way to school?!
I love a glass of wine. Is it OK to have a glass of wine on getting up instead of my usual cup of tea? Or, if it's all about being on the move, how about I carry a can of Special Brew down the street with me and take surreptitious swigs?!

Disclaimer - I'd NEVER do that obviously, but just pointing out what exactly is the difference?! Neither would ever be acceptable in any way, shape or form.

Shakeandvac
I utterly agree that driving/looking after children while under the influence of anything psychoactive needs to be avoided.
And Red Bull (and all the generic similar things) are much much stronger than people realise - as are a couple of strong coffees, or being sleep deprived.

Cannabis happens to be illegal (for now), but people who start the day with a small spliff are no more irresponsible than those who start it with an espresso and a cigarette. And there are many many more of them than most people realise.

shakeandvac Not at all, see earlier post- "I have always said theres a big difference to drug use + drug abuse, the latter covering all aspects of irresponsible weed smoking eg in the car, around kids, on the school run etc.

Many many people smoke it (to the poster who said upthread theyre glad its not round their school-I bet there are parents at your dcs school who smoke it-often its the people you least expect in that situation) and still function fine and lead a normal life- just making the point here that getting baked on the school run is not the norm amongst weed smokers!!

No Im definitely not saying its ok, it definitely isn't and is not done by the majority of weed smokers. as with anything its always the minority that let the side down.

talkingpeace I agree 100%

I would say alcohol does far far more damage- stoners are far far more likely to be capable of looking after their children than alcoholics. put it this way, I have never ever been incapable of taking care of my children but I know lots and lots who have whilst drunk- including putting their children at massive risk (passing out cold after a drink for eg)
IMO alcohol is a much bigger problem and much harder to sort out as its so addictive and people suffer withdrawal from it.

If having a spliff makes you a loser, then in my eyes so does a glass of alcohol

An expresso and fag is in no way comparable to smoking a joint, they do not alter your mind in the same way. It would be more comparable to glugging on spirits. If i knew someone was glugging on spirits on the school run i would also call ss.