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AIBU?

To think my daughter sticks out like sore thumb as do I?

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Bellybadge · 20/09/2013 00:15

DD just started school, she is the only Asian child in her class and in the whole of reception I have only seen one other Asian child. She is a very chatty, outgoing little girl.

I am worried about her making friends because although she always tries to chat to the other children they very rarely acknowledge her, all the children in her class seem to know each other as do their mums. I see groups of children from her class playing together or running up to their friends at home time, she calls out to some of them or points them out me and waves at them, but again they ignore her.

I have tried being friendly with other mums during pick up and drop off, nothing over eager but friendly hello's and small talk but mostly they tend to ignore me too (very politely). Sometimes I have been blanked outright even though the other mum saw me smile or obviously heard me say hello or good morning. I don't know if it's because I'm Asian or because I'm not head to toe in Boden, pushing a phil and teds and rocking my large scarf and large satchel ( it's almost as if the parents are wearing a uniform too)

The school is a lot less diverse than I first thought, very white middle class, we wanted to send our child to a good school but I am now not sure we made the right decision and worry that I've just set up the next few years of her being friendless.

She hasn't said anything to me outright but I'm just worried for her. She had lots of friends at her private nursery but then her nursery was very diverse and had kids from many different backgrounds. Please feel free to tell me I'm being a prize berk and totally u.

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Bellybadge · 20/09/2013 23:23

I moved to this town several years ago after growing up in a large multicultural city, we chose the school based on the ofstead report, recommendations from friends whose children had attended the school in previous years and also on my ability to take and pick up DD to/from the school with relative ease as I don't have a car and a baby to consider too.

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Bellybadge · 20/09/2013 23:27

Thank you beatricequimby I almost didn't type that for fear of that being jumped on as another example of my own attitude problem or arrogance. Unless you have grown up with that kind of predjudice no matter how subtle you cannot imagine how real it is and also how hurtful it can be when you suspect your own child might have to go through the same thing.

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ukatlast · 20/09/2013 23:57

Quote OP: ( it's almost as if the parents are wearing a uniform too)-
this is what people mean when they moan about the politics of the school gate.
It happens to loads of us: if you are a slightly older mum you may be blanked by the younger ones, if you are overweight, you may be blanked by everyone, if you don't look like the sort of person they want to be friends with for any reason, you may be blanked...so it's not necessarily a race thing at all. Some of them may just have really bad social skills (maybe not in a middle class area so much) and cannot meet your friendly gaze for anxiety reasons.
I would advise you to keep 'trying your best' for the whole year before 'giving up' and I'd be surprised if things didn't improve for your daughter fairly quickly.

I was blanked for a long time when my first child was in reception because I put him in a small village school in England 10 miles away. We were regarded with suspicion but by the end of the year, they had all thawed out and we were doing playdates...then we had to move abroad for DH's work and expat communities were much more welcoming from the 'get go' as friends move on in unstable expat circles so you have to be willing to let newcomers in. You might still get those who can't see past an age difference or weight problem or lack of Boden as you say.

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notthefirstagainstthewall · 20/09/2013 23:57

Well is she there as an "Asian" child or a child that doesn't look like all the others? I'm Asian looking (mum from Goa) and personally loved being the girl that had naturally fantastic skin, thick dark hair and Asian figure rather than looking pasty/sunburnt and worrying about having to dye/perm/straighten my mousey brown hair to something more exciting.

I do get that that in largely white middle class area you will be perceived as different.I still get asked "where I'm from" despite being born to a nice farming family in rural Sussex. However mostly it's genuinely from trying to gauge how you'll react to them. People constantly assume I'm vegetarian for example despite being the daughter of gamekeeper.

It's not prejudice, it's not wanting to get it wrong .I find people just avoid if it's not obvious what they should should do. If you are are clear about what you and your values are you'll both make friends with people who are like minded. But you do have you have to make it easy for people. After all that's what Boden and Joules do.

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threelittlebigpigs · 21/09/2013 00:20

My child is mixed race & I did purposely choose a diverse school for her to attend. So far she is playing with lots of different children & is excited about all of them. The fact they are in her class means she thinks they're her friends. She has already commented on a boy in her class being black - merely in a making an observation kind of way - & this surprised me as she is used to being around different ethnicities. I do think that some children are aware of race when they are this age because they are constantly comparing themselves to others. On the playground I have found any one that I've spoken to friendly & happy to chat about any inane school topics. If I don't know someone I find that noticing something about their child is a good ice-breaker & people are usually always comfortable to talk about their son/daughter. Give it time OP & risk a few sentences to the person nearest to you if you're feeling brave. Hopefully, before you know it, you'll be feeling much more comfortable & at ease. I do know quite a few other mums from pre-school so that has been helpful but it doesn't mean that I'm not happy to chat to anyone nearby. I really hope that race issues are not the root of the problem.

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Wingdingdong · 21/09/2013 11:50

Plenty of mothers at our primary school wear Boden - not just white ones! As somebody else said, it's about what's easy. Boden make it easy, shopping online is easy, delivery service is good, there's a 90-day return policy and the clothes wash well and can be tumble-dried. I probably do wear Boden as a kind of uniform, just because it saves thinking...

Whilst the whole Boden thing is really tangential to your OP, the principle at stake's the same. The other mothers are probably not racist in any way (though obvs I'm not there, don't know for sure) but they probably are tired, time-pressured and taking the easy/lazy approach. If they've all known each other from pre-school, it's so much easier just to carry on chatting to the people they know.

Don't forget that pretty much every mother will be concerned about her 4yo starting school for the first time, whether or not they've been to pre-school. They'll be worried about the lunches, about the long days, about whether their child is making friends, about whether the other kids are ahead in various ways, about whether their own child can be relied upon to go to the loo in time, etc... And nervousness is going to make everyone seek security in the certainties of what they do know.

It's hard on you, but I think you're going to have to make a little bit of extra effort. Smiling and saying hello shows you're friendly but doesn't necessarily show that you want to make friends. What do you think you'd tell your DD to do in a similar situation? If she saw a group of children playing together and wanted to join in, would you advise her to stand a little way back and smile/say hello when they passed, or would you suggest ways of being more proactive?

Given that all the mothers will be really focused on their kids, maybe a way in would be to earmark a group of women you like the look of (maybe check out their faces as well as their clothes and buggies Wink), and go up to one or two of them and ask how their DC are settling in. If you think that may be too controversial (eg their child has been seen crying) go for a safe topic - are their DC having school lunches? Do they like them, are they eating anything? Someone's bound to have a fussy eater or a story of how their PFB came home having eaten just pizza, chips, pasta and chocolate cake (my DD!) and everyone else will join in. Or ask if anyone's DC is actually telling them anything about what happened that day at school...

If you find that you're overwhelmed by the mass of uniformity, try turning up early. If you're the first one there for a couple of days you can pick off parents one by one as they arrive. It'll be a lot easier in the next week or so than after half term.

Good luck!

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Wingdingdong · 21/09/2013 11:51

Oops that was long Blush.

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Wellwobbly · 22/09/2013 11:24

againstthewall, brilliant post!

OP, remember this essential fact: what you describe, comes from fear. People stick to what they know.

So your job (believe me on this one) is to reassure them. Be patient, it takes some time. Carry on being your lovely friendly self, keep asking their children to tea (focus on your daughter's social well being), and your humanity will prevail.

Getting defensive, blaming the situation, forgetting the fear (and your need to forgive them for it) - is counter-productive.

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mumofwildthings · 22/09/2013 17:30

I am a white MC, Boden scarf wearing mum to a mixed race DD and DS. My DD goes to an almost entirely Black school, so she sticks out like a sore thumb, as do I! Yes, some of the mums are cliquey and not keen to befriend me, but none of it has held my DD up. She has tonnes of friends, and loves the mix of food she gets a birthday parties!

It takes a while, just keep smiling, being friendly and try not to project. There will always be someone who has a problem with something but remember it's THEIR problem not yours. Our children are growing up in a different time to when we grew up. She'll be fine.

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mummytowillow · 22/09/2013 18:31

When my DD ( 6) started reception I didn't know anyone. Every drop off and pick up I just stood there on my own. Sad

It was awful for about a month, then I went to a school fayre, and got chatting to another mum. Now I have 4 really good mum friends and I'm happy with that.

Give it time its still early days. Wink

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Amrapaali · 23/09/2013 10:01

Wellwobbly reassure them? reassure them of what? That the Asian mum standing in the corner isn't an ogre?

Forgive a white person for their "fear"? Fear of what? I hope you didn't mean to sound crass, but your post is coming across like that.

It works both ways, you know. Someone whose cultural/ethnic orgins are different from the country they live in are essentially "guests" in a sense. The "hosts" can also go some way in easing their way into the community, instead of leaving it to the "other" to integrate.

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Wellwobbly · 23/09/2013 10:24

Sorry Amrapaali, to sound crass, what I was trying to convey is more subtle than that.

When you are faced with a situation that is uncomfortable (us third worlders isolated in the playground), the only thing you can control is the way you look at it, and how you react. That is the ONLY thing you have control over.
Wish it were different/they would get a life/stop being so snooty/racist/cliquey/whatever, is a waste of time and attitude.

So I personally find it comforting to know that they feel AKWARD. Which is a fear thing. Which I can do something about it. Which is 1. know it isn't personal, 2. I can do something about.

That was behind my advice to stay patient, and have their children round. Once your child gets friends, the rest follows.

But, if feeling angry or defensive works for you, then go for it!

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BlingBang · 23/09/2013 14:28

Or it could just be more likely that it's early days and folk haven't had much time to integrate yet and some mums will already know each other.

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