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to ask WHY in the name of Gove are teachers striking again?

792 replies

loftyclopflop · 17/09/2013 18:17

DD's school is closing on 1st October because they have chosen to strike. Is it over pay, pensions and conditions? Did they achieve anything by striking a couple of years ago other than massively inconveniencing a lot of parents?

I know Gove is a twat but do they really expect to change anything by taking the day off?

OP posts:
mirry2 · 18/09/2013 14:15

The sector I work in is obviously far more rarified Wink

mirry2 · 18/09/2013 14:16

Calm down skyler I didn't say that.

skylerwhite · 18/09/2013 14:21

Which sector of education do you work in, mirry? People don't tend to curse in their workplace. I know loads of teachers who have salty language, shall we say, and even more academics who would turn the air blue. None of them would use that language at work.

ubik · 18/09/2013 14:22

Gove is looking for a confrontation with the teaching profession - he thinks you are all a load of lefty worthies.

This stand off is part of the government's quest to break the unions and privatise education.

I support the teacher's strike ... but I don't think it is going to end well for you all, or for our children's education.

Topseyt · 18/09/2013 15:00

I am a mum of 3, two of whom are still at school. I don't know yet whether or not the strike will affect their school, and I might be inconvenienced somewhat, but I fully support the teachers.

Why on earth shouldn't they strike when the minister in charge of education is a total arse who (in common with most Education Ministers), has never taught in his life?

I wonder how all these "teacher bashers" would cope if they were placed in front of 30 or more of other people's children?

mirry2 · 18/09/2013 15:57

Skyler I'm an academic

skylerwhite · 18/09/2013 16:01

And you've never heard academics cursing?! Shock

TarkaTheOtter · 18/09/2013 16:11

Higher education more rarefied, academics not swearing - definitely not my experience Hmm Shock We've also been known to strike on occasion!

mirry2 · 18/09/2013 16:12

Rarely. I can't ever remember, but that's not really the point. It just seems wrong to do it on mumsnet. Most of the teachers I've ever known seem so.....sedate.....even my friends.

mirry2 · 18/09/2013 16:13

Hey you lot - didn't you see my wink?

TarkaTheOtter · 18/09/2013 16:18

Nope . But it's not that shocking that teachers might swear sometimes to.

UCU members striked in 2011, over pensions if I recall, and won concessions. Vaguely remember marking lots of exam scripts as a PhD a few years back to because lecturers were refusing to mark over contractual terms.

Most people think academics spend half the year skiving too so you'd think you'd have more sympathy on the perception issue.

TarkaTheOtter · 18/09/2013 16:20

Although somehow I've never learned the difference between to and too Blush

Feenie · 18/09/2013 16:32

It just seems wrong to do it on mumsnet.

You've not been on MN very long then, I am guessing....

Plomino · 18/09/2013 16:47

I certainly support the teachers strike , because someone has to do something . They work bloody hard as far as I can tell . It's not like they turn up,every morning and the lesson preparation fairy has delivered the days curriculum for them . Our children's education is being fucked up before our very eyes, and yet most of the changes are being put through with very little debate due a combination of smoke and mirrors , and the government's usual tactic of making sure there's a shitload of derogatory stories in the press about whatever bit of the public sector they want to screw over , before making some neatly glossed over announcement about a fortnight later .

I don't have the right to strike in my profession . In fact even talking about doing so is a criminal offence for me called causing disaffection . So because of the way the police service are being treated , decent hard working experienced officers , the ones who really keep the service are going , are leaving in droves , because no one wants to be chasing 18 year old robbers with hi tech trainers and a much better incentive to flee , at 60 . Which is the new age of retirement for police officers and in fact firefighters , which is why they too are striking this week . When I first joined some twenty years ago , and in fact up until all the changes were coming in , the only resignations you tended to see in personnel notices were of officers with 2 , maybe 3 years in, who had decided it wasn't the career for them . Now , I see officers with 6 years upwards leaving . 30 odd last week alone , not to mention those retiring .

If as a society , we fail to protest , then the government gets away with doing whatever they want , with no debate , no matter how deluded or unworkable it may be . Is that what people want ? Our NHS , fire services , teaching professions meddled with willy nilly by people who don't really give a shit about anything except the advancement of their own careers ( and a truly gold plated pension! ) ? Really ?

penguin73 · 18/09/2013 17:03

Put simply because teachers are not being allowed to teach thanks to increased paperwork, numerous new (often meaningless and short lived) initiatives, Ofsted being used as a tool to force schools into academies and Heads being offered financial incentives to become academies to save money, 'performance' related pay linked purely to results meaning those who teach lower ability/students with complex needs will be penalised, the constant pressure to achieve results that look good in league tables rather than what is best for the students, linked with this the pressure on staff to 'cheat' with controlled assessments etc etc. It is easy to say it is purely because teachers want more money but the majority of teachers just want to be able to teach their students. But many parents will take no interest in any of these issues until their children are 'underachieving' and don't get the results that they could have potentially achieved.

penguin73 · 18/09/2013 17:05

(and well said Plomino - with teaching, police and Armed Forces links your post really struck a chord!)

mirry2 · 18/09/2013 17:09

Tarka maybe it's because I don't really worry if people think I'm skiving - I know how hard I work and that's enough for me. But this thread is about teachers not academics

BoneyBackJefferson · 18/09/2013 19:25

ivykaty44

"teachers get 28 days paid holiday like everyone else

after that the following 5.2 weeks is unpaid"

Do you know that? or just think that?

I suspect the latter.

Arisbottle · 18/09/2013 19:34

I don't do any work in the holidays because quite frankly I work enough hours in term time . If you average my hours out I work a similar number of hours as someone who works under a standard contract .

ivykaty44 · 18/09/2013 19:35

It is in the burgundy book take a look the link to it is further up the thread - I suspect you didn't look at that boneybackjefferson otherwise you wouldn't have said that I just thought it....

clam · 18/09/2013 20:03

mirry2: "If the contract was changed so that payment wasn't spread over 12 months it might change people's attitudes. At the moment the perception is that teachers get paid for doing nothing in the holidays."

What, so thousands of teachers have to manage a budgeting nightmare (e.g. "sorry Bank, can't pay the mortgage this month") just because you the general public can't be arsed to get their heads round the concept of spreading a salary evenly over 12 months?

Arisbottle · 18/09/2013 20:09

Apart from on here I just don't experience people thinking that I am lazy, or getting annoyed about me getting paid for nothing.

IME people think teaching is far harder than the reality.

outtolunchagain · 18/09/2013 20:11

Boneyback, that is how it works,you can check the NUT website or read the Burgundy book which details terms and conditions for teachers in England.

A very good explanation ,which also explains the interaction between the teachers holiday and the working time directive is the NUT publication "maternity Matters".Although ostensibly about maternity it also explains many other terms and conditions of teachers .

mirry2 · 18/09/2013 20:18

Clam are my posts winding you up? That is not my intention.

Spinkle · 18/09/2013 20:31

I work in an area where kids are unfed and dirty. Homework dies not get done. Parents do not read with their kids. They do not have correct uniform. Most of them do not know any adult who works. They are NEEDY kids who live on their wits

So much so that their entire lives are spent with their lives full of anxiety. Learning is secondary to having their basic emotional needs met. They act out.

I'll give them all I have but to penalise me because they do not meet a target seems harsh. Impossible for me to do. Ofsted bring a culture of fear too.