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Advertised as vegetarian, cooked on the meat grill

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juniper9 · 17/09/2013 13:13

I am a fairly strict vegetarian- I don't eat rennet or gelatine etc.

There's a burger restaurant that I visit fairly frequently which sells a mushroom burger. The menu states it's vegetarian, but I still asked if it was cooked on the same grill as the meat. They reassured me that it's a separate grill.

We moved mouse recently and are now not near the restaurant. A few weeks ago, I went to another branch of the same, small chain. Their menu is slightly different in that they also have Halal meat. I asked the waiter if the burger is cooked on a vegetarian grill. He went off to ask and then said yes. I wasn't massively convinced by him, but he reassured me he'd asked the chef.

When I went back, I asked a different waitress who said the Halal burgers and the vegetarian burgers are cooked together. The burgers are still advertised as vegetarian on the menu. Consequently I ordered a salad.

I emailed them to complain, and the response was basically that the grill gets hot enough to burn off the meat fat, therefore it's fine. The replier said they'd discussed the economics of having three grills and decided against it, so they knew that it might have been an issue.

Obviously everyone has their own version of vegetarianism, but if they're claiming a burger is vegetarian when it's cooked on the meat grill, then surely this is misrepresentation?

Also, if they're so sure that the meat juices are burnt off, then why bother with a separate grill for Halal?

I'm not going to eat a burger cooked in meat fat, but AIBU to think that their menu is misleading? They should let people make their own choice about whether or not they're ok with the burger sharing a grill.

OP posts:
Larrygogan · 17/09/2013 13:17

YANBU, but I suspect this happens an awful lot in restaurants. I always ask detailed questions (also vegetarian) but it's hard to know what the reality is. Which makes me very careful about what and where I eat out.

quoteunquote · 17/09/2013 13:20

Put a review on trip advisor, to warn others not to get caught out.

livinginwonderland · 17/09/2013 13:21

YANBU, but I'll bet this happens more often than you'd like to think.

MaidOfStars · 17/09/2013 13:24

The menu is misleading. I used to think that there was some kind of legal obligation to cook anything ostensibly vegetarian using veggie-friendly procedures, but I gather I was misinformed.

I can accept a certain amount of sharing is necessary - I don't mind a veggie burger being cooked on the same BBQ as a meat burger, as long as it doesn't overlap with the cooking (so a dedicated area of a grill, with dedicated utensils is fine).

Admittedly, I don't quiz proper restaurants about their cooking equipment though...

gruber · 17/09/2013 13:24

YANBU. I have a very restricted diet that means if I eat something "contaminated" ie cooked with/on/in an allergy ingredient, it has huge consequences. I would be livid in your situation. It is NOT vegetarian! It's so hard eating out.

(I went out for coffee with friends recently, wanted a piece if cake. Asked the staff for an ingredients list so I could check. They informed me "we don't keep ingredients lists or recipes but we know which ones are nut free". Unfortunately it's not a nut-free cake I'm after, thank you, do you have the ingredients for any of your food? "No". Riiight, so I can't eat.... Great.)

CookieLady · 17/09/2013 13:26

They need to put it on their menu so that people can make an informed decision.

tywysogesgymraeg · 17/09/2013 13:27

Not a vegetarian, but I think an awful lot goes on in restaurant kitchens that I'd rather not know about!

worldgonecrazy · 17/09/2013 13:27

Was it one of the posh gourmet burger type places? I went to one and the mushrooms for the veggie choice were cooked on the same grill as the meat burgers. They also had "halal" being cooked with non-halal too. I'd leave a review, it's the only way that the restaurant will take notice.

WilsonFrickett · 17/09/2013 13:29

YANBU but I'm surprised a strict vegetarian would chose to eat in a burger restaurant.

I worked very briefly in a steak restaurant when I was veggie and the owner was Shock when I (admittedly tactlessly) said I wouldn't recommend it to my veggie friends. Because no matter how careful they were, there was only one grill. And most veggies want more choice than one token veggie meal.

LovesBeingOnHoliday · 17/09/2013 13:35

Yanbu - all ads for veg fast food state if it's cooked in tge same fat as meat products

MaidOfStars · 17/09/2013 13:35

WilsonFrickett For sure, a steak restaurant isn't an obvious choice for a veggie, although most have more than just one choice (exceptions being the very meaty Brazilian/Argentinian all-you-can-eat-BBQ places). But a burger restaurant is usually OK - veggie burgers, salads, wraps, etc...

hippo123 · 17/09/2013 13:36

Sorry but I think your being a bit ott. It's not being cooked in meat fat, as like they said it is being burnt off / runs off anyway. Having worked in kitchens I doubt you would eat anywhere if you knew what went on.

SleepPleaseSleep · 17/09/2013 14:03

I'm veggie, and don't eat out much (mostly the expense and no babysitter, now, but partly for this). When I do I just expect to have to be a bit flexible, and not enquire too much... After all, we don't want to know about the dead rat out the back either do we, veggie or not!

Sometimes it is laughable though. I have lost count of the number of times I have been asked as a follow-up,'can you have fish'. Fish is meat, people! Anyone who calls themselves a veggie who eats fish is wrong, they just don't eat red meat. And I have been offered veggie stuff cooked in chicken stock ('well its only stock/ chicken')... We each have our own compromise-limit I suppose!

OneStepCloser · 17/09/2013 14:09

I think a lot of resturants advertise it as Vegetable, ie, Bean Burgers, Mushroom burgers etc... rather than Vegetarian though dont? I guess that covers them? It makes me very fussy about eating out though.

Sindarella · 17/09/2013 14:21

If it gets hot enough to burn off the meat fat, then why do meat and fish have to have seperate fryers? Surely a deep fat fryer aslo gets hot?

Thats a serious question btw.

I worked in a chippy that cooked burgers in the same fryer as the chips. Then sold chips to hindus.

judgejudithjudy · 17/09/2013 15:05

yanbu - most places do this but i try not to think about it :-(

AKAK81 · 17/09/2013 15:08

How utterly pathetic - I hope they kicked you out and barred you. Get a grip.

olidusUrsus · 17/09/2013 15:11

Disgusting of the restaurant. Yy to writing a public review on Trip Advisor or the like to warn off other veggies.

olidusUrsus · 17/09/2013 15:14

Was waiting for the first comment expressing AKAK81's sort of opinion. Surprised it wasn't sooner tbh!

specialsubject · 17/09/2013 15:15

I also wonder what a veggie is doing in a burger restaurant. Plenty of other choices.

If you are that strict with your rules, you need to find a veggie-only place. Why make life difficult, just go somewhere else!

worldgonecrazy · 17/09/2013 15:19

I also wonder what a veggie is doing in a burger restaurant.

Maybe we just want to be able to go to the same places as our friends and family go to? Or should we be forced to restrict our dining out to vegetarian restaurants?

Maybe some Muslim mumsnetters will come along and say that eating supposedly "halal" meat with bacon fat splashed on it is also a problem - will they be deemed "utterly pathetic" too?

LRDMaguliYaPomochTebeSRaboti · 17/09/2013 15:20

Whether the fat burns off or not isn't they point - they should be honest. Then the OP could make an informed decision.

TheBigJessie · 17/09/2013 15:21

Well, if muslims aren't v"pathetic", presumably strict vegetarian Hindus and Sikhs aren't either, eh?

SunshineMMum · 17/09/2013 15:22

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Faerieinatoadstool · 17/09/2013 15:27

That's a bit harsh AKAK81. Everyone gets to make there own choices about food they eat.
If you don't trust normal places try going somewhere vegetarian, it's well worth it. Some places are even vegetarian society approved

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