Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To cut and past this anti-competitive parenting post that somone posted on faceache

121 replies

LEMisdisappointed · 12/09/2013 20:06

Written by a Pre-School Teacher – It says it all!
I was on a parenting bulletin board recently and read a post by a mother who was worried that her 4 1/2 year old did not know enough. “What should a 4 year old know?” she asked.

Most of the answers left me not only saddened but pretty soundly annoyed. One mom posted a laundry list of all of the things her son knew. Counting to 100, planets, how to write his first and last name, and on and on. Others chimed in with how much more their children already knew, some who were only three. A few posted URL’s to lists of what each age should know. The fewest yet said that each child develops at his own pace and not to worry.

It bothered me greatly to see these mothers responding to a worried mom by adding to her concern, with lists of all the things their children could do that hers couldn’t. We are such a competitive culture that even our pre-schoolers have become trophies and bragging rights. Childhood shouldn’t be a race.

So here, I offer my list of what a 4 year old should know.
She should know that she is loved wholly and unconditionally, all of the time.
-He should know that he is safe and he should know how to keep himself safe in public, with others, and in varied situations. He should know that he can trust his instincts about people and that he never has to do something that doesn’t feel right, no matter who is asking. -He should know his personal rights and that his family will back them up.
She should know how to laugh, act silly, be goofy and use her imagination. She should know that it is always okay to paint the sky orange and give cats 6 legs.
-He should know his own interests and be encouraged to follow them. If he could care less about learning his numbers, his parents should realize he’ll learn them accidentally soon enough and let him immerse himself instead in rocket ships, drawing, dinosaurs or playing in the mud.
-She should know that the world is magical and that so is she. She should know that she’s wonderful, brilliant, creative, compassionate and marvellous.
-She should know that it’s just as worthy to spend the day outside making daisy chains, mud pies and fairy houses as it is to practice phonics. Scratch that– way more worthy.

But more important, here’s what parents need to know.
-That every child learns to walk, talk, read and do algebra at his own pace and that it will have no bearing on how well he walks, talks, reads or does algebra.
-That the single biggest predictor of high academic achievement and high ACT scores is reading to children. Not flash cards, not workbooks, not fancy preschools, not blinking toys or computers, but mom or dad taking the time every day or night (or both!) to sit and read them wonderful books.
-That being the smartest or most accomplished kid in class has never had any bearing on being the happiest. We are so caught up in trying to give our children “advantages” that we’re giving them lives as multi-tasked and stressful as ours. One of the biggest advantages we can give our children is a simple, carefree childhood.
-That our children deserve to be surrounded by books, nature, art supplies and the freedom to explore them. Most of us could get rid of 90% of our children’s toys and they wouldn’t be missed, but some things are important– building toys like lego and blocks, creative toys like all types of art materials (good stuff), musical instruments (real ones and multicultural ones), dress up clothes and books, books, books. (Incidentally, much of this can be picked up quite cheaply at thrift shops.) They need to have the freedom to explore with these things too– to play with scoops of dried beans in the high chair (supervised, of course), to knead bread and make messes, to use paint and play dough and glitter at the kitchen table while we make supper even though it gets everywhere, to have a spot in the yard where it’s absolutely fine to dig up all the grass and make a mud pit.
-That our children need more of us. We have become so good at saying that we need to take care of ourselves that some of us have used it as an excuse to have the rest of the world take care of our kids. Yes, we all need undisturbed baths, time with friends, sanity breaks and an occasional life outside of parenthood. But we live in a time when parenting magazines recommend trying to commit to 10 minutes a day with each child and scheduling one Saturday a month as family day. That’s not okay!

Our children don’t need Nintendos, computers, after school activities, ballet lessons, play groups and soccer practice nearly as much as they need US. They need fathers who sit and listen to their days, mothers who join in and make crafts with them, parents who take the time to read them stories and act like idiots with them. They need us to take walks with them and not mind the .1 MPH pace of a toddler on a spring night. They deserve to help us make supper even though it takes twice as long and makes it twice as much work. They deserve to know that they’re a priority for us and that we truly love to be with them.

OP posts:
Greenkit · 13/09/2013 05:59

Perhaps the message is to not get tied up in big houses, expensive toys, massive long work hours and just simply enjoy your time with your family. Stuff doesnt make you happy, memories do.

Cheryzan · 13/09/2013 06:20

I agree with the poster who said 'I bet the author doesn't have her own children'

I also v much agree with the posters who say missed milestones are signs that your child needs help, not signs that they need to make more daisy chains.

I think how you cope with stress is part of your ersonality nothing to do with age. You can't make childhood less stressful. Because people either get stressed or they don't.

And she's absolutely wrong about the correlation between being read to and success later. It has now been disproved. There is however, (I think) a link between maths and overall achievement. (can't rember the details of that study)

I don't like reading out loud. Nor making a mess. Not digging in the garden. Doing things I don't like with my kids does not result in fond happy memories for any of us.

Now my kids are slightly older (8 -12) we have a few joint hobbies. Watching star trek. Reading science fiction. Stuff like that. Doing stuff we both like together is nice. Doing stuff only one of us like is not.

lyndie · 13/09/2013 06:20

I think a mix of stuff is fine. Muck, glitter - good. iPads - also good. Everything in moderation.

waltzingmathilda · 13/09/2013 06:23

I find it quite smug. It assumes the traditional two parent family with one parent actling like mother earth from an advert - the reality is, the traditional family probably doesnt exist any more. It doesnt account for working parents, people who live in small homes and dont have dinner tables

I broadly agree with the sentiment which was told to me by a retired headmaster some years ago - the biggest abusers of children are the middle classes, they guiltily buy them off with toys and electronics when all every child needs is time and love.

exoticfruits · 13/09/2013 07:10

It is all very twee and not something I would re post to share but I agree with general message.

AmberLeaf · 13/09/2013 07:33

I find it quite smug. It assumes the traditional two parent family with one parent actling like mother earth from an advert - the reality is, the traditional family probably doesnt exist any more. It doesnt account for working parents, people who live in small homes and dont have dinner tables

I do get your point, but, these things can still be done in a non traditional family. They can still be done in a small house/flat etc.

I find the assumption that only middle class parents with a nice house can parent like this more annoying TBH.

Reminds me of the 'oooh' that I used to get from health visitors and the like when they visited my shitty council flat and saw my childrens heuristic play basket Wink

insancerre · 13/09/2013 07:45

i've just seen this on my facebook feed and as a pre-school teacher I agree with every word
In essence, it's what we do at nursery.

friday16 · 13/09/2013 08:11

The thing that i think is so insidious, upon re-reading it, is that it's just as pushy as the people it's complaining about, it's just disagreeing about the means.

For example, "the single biggest predictor of high academic achievement and high ACT scores is reading to children." There no sense that you might be looking more widely than university admission, just that the author is suggesting another, better way to get there. It's not saying "there's more to life than getting into Harvard", it's saying "hey, here's a better way to get into Harvard, and you can be smug about it too."

The same's true all the way through: it's not arguing about outcomes, it's just providing helpful tips on how to be pushy but in a more hummus-eating way. The objective is still Yale; they're just wanting more sustainable woods to be used in the stick that they wave. In that sense it reads like a column in the Guardian family section: we go on holiday in a yurt and the children spend three months a year knitting their own yoghurt, but they are doing very well at their thirty grand a year traditional boarding school and are off to Oxford next year.

I'm perhaps over-interpreting, but it's also interesting that it mentions ACT rather than the slightly more well-known SAT. ACT tests are more amenable to coaching, being more about achievement than aptitude, and thus I gather are favoured by middle-class parents who want more leverage to coach their children into university.

The writer still wants the bragging rights of a child in the Ivy League; they just want bragging rights on the path, as well as the destination.

thebody · 13/09/2013 08:18

yes agree with the sentiment but still the whole parenting industry, and its big money telling moms the fucking obvious and what they have been doing for centuries, makes me want to scream and rant.

cory · 13/09/2013 08:45

I agree with friday: it's just the same old boasting pushiness with youghurt knitting frills.

And of course absolutely no comfort to those of us whose children did turn out to be failing to meet milestones due to SN, chronic illness or developmental delay.

I have been told that my dd may have suffered irreversible damage due to her undiagnosed joint condition and I now realise that she must have been in pain every day when she was a toddler. My ds told me at the age of 8 that he hadn't mentioned his constant pain because he hadn't realised getting dressed or holding a pen wasn't supposed to hurt.

Am I supposed to feel that her damaged joints and his memories of pain don't matter because they were developing "at their own pace"?

I meet postgraduate students who were written off at school and thought of themselves as stupid because their dyslexia was undiagnosed.

And autistic children whose early school years must have been hell because they were undiagnosed and unsupported.

There is no way that "more mommy time" could compensate dc for being in pain: I'm a pretty good parent, but I'm not that wonderful.

fragola · 13/09/2013 10:28

This one appears to have been written by a woman doing a parenting blog, so it's interesting how it has mutated into being written by a pre-school teacher.

hooochycoo · 13/09/2013 13:46

Cory, that's an awesome post. Could I ask what the joint condition was?

wandymum · 13/09/2013 13:53

Sorry also think this is self-satisfied claptrap.

It's crap like this that means my 5yo DS gets whispered about at the school gates for being able to read.

No I haven't hothoused him, yes we go to the park all the time but he just prefers to curl up with a book.

Bramshott · 13/09/2013 13:55

I saw this on FB this morning, and the phrase that jumped out to me was "he should know how to keep himself safe in public, with others, and in varied situations." and I thought - jesus wept - at 4 years old this surely should not be one of the things kids should have to worry about.

friday16 · 13/09/2013 14:00

"5yo DS gets whispered about at the school gates for being able to read."

Yes, but is that smug dirndl-wearing earthmothers who think that reading "too early" is bad for his aura, or mothers with their hair scraped back into a scrunchie who think that reading means he's getting ideas above his station? The former might be affected by this piece of sub-Hallmark sentimentalism, the latter, not so much.

OrmirianResurgam · 13/09/2013 14:07

We probably did 90% of all that with our kids.

And..... ta daaaaa! .... my eldest has just left Yr 11 with a set of poor GCSE results under his belt Hmm And no motivation to acheive anything much

DD is doing much better academically but despite all our gentle encouragement and loving enthusiasm she puts herself under massive pressure, works really hard and seems to look on me with a kind of exasperated fondness and lots of eye rolling. She also tells me I am not strict enough ! (with DS2 that is not with her of course).

DS2 ...well DS2 is a law unto himself and I dont think any one person will be able to claim credit for anything he achieves.

I think the sort of parenting described in the OP is probably no better or worse than any other kind but it's more fun for everyone. And your kids might still like you at the end of it.... Wink

OrmirianResurgam · 13/09/2013 14:09

One thing that jumps out at me from this thread is that people need to stop listening to what other parents say at the school gates!! I have no idea what other parents think of my kids nor do I give a shit.

OrmirianResurgam · 13/09/2013 14:11

" childrens heuristic play basket" ?????

Am I the only thick person who thought 'what?'

mirry2 · 13/09/2013 14:19

I feel guilty now Sad because I don't think I gave my dc enough time with me. but I did my best

exoticfruits · 13/09/2013 14:23

All DCs want is a 'good enough' mother, mirry- all these 'perfect' ones must be utter hell to live with!

chocoluvva · 13/09/2013 14:32

How about this for a list?

4YO's should know that they're safe and loved. That if they try to be good most of the time, everything will be okay. That education is important. They should try to do their best.

List for their parents?

If you usually do your best for your DC you're probably an adequate parent. Adequate is fine.

scampadoodle · 13/09/2013 14:36

Love that it's Father who "sits and listens to their days, mothers who join in and make crafts with them"

Implying that Father has been Out doing Important Stuff and Mother is drifting fragrantly around, being maternal.

ninilegsintheair · 13/09/2013 14:39

Glitter is the antichrist.

Allegrogirl · 13/09/2013 14:43

scampadoodle you beat me to it. Why do I have to do the craft and shit? Maybe I shouldn't be out work earning the money for clothes, food, those nasty pointless swimming and gym lessons etc.

As for letting them help with supper even if it takes twice as long, not on a work night when it's get home, throw together, feed children, 30 minutes quality time and then bed.

Competitive, twee crap.

TheUglyFuckling · 13/09/2013 14:46

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.