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AIBU?

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To not want my 2 year old to be shouted at by MIL

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lilithtime · 11/09/2013 11:44

Sorry if this ends up a bit long. I usually get on pretty well with my MIL. She's a good person and has had a lot to deal with and I know she does do her best. She and FIL are the legal guardians of two of BIL's children as he is frankly useless and their mum was neglectful so they have lived with IL's since the ages of 5 and 6. They are now 12 and 14.

MIL is a shouter and a smacker I have never felt comfortable with the way she screams and shouts at them, particularly the youngest, who is a girl. She gets on much better with the boy and he gets away with murder but the girl has it much tougher. All of his family have noticed how she is treated compared to the other grandkids but nobody says anything to MIL.

I've tried to be sympathetic and as I have a 12 yr old DD as well I have talked with MIL about different strategies to deal with pre teen moods etc and what has worked with me and she has opened up to me a bit about how tough she finds it. A few months ago she told me that she had hit DNiece across the face when she gave her some attitude. I was shocked and expressed that I thought that was wrong.

DH is one of 3 boys and his mum has always parented like that and he says she has mellowed over the years if anything. His brothers are both a waste of space, both have been in prison and are a constant source of stress to her. The dad of the kids has two more kids and is abusive to his partner so MIL looks after the younger ones a lot for DIL as she feels guilty for his behaviour so she has her hands full.

We live 30 miles away and MIL has looked after DS (2.4) one day a week since he was a baby. DS is a handful for me but has always been better behaved for his nan. He went through a phase of hitting and I tried a few ways of dealing with it, namely the naughty step and being firm with saying NO and quickly realised that he was too young as it just didn't work. He refuses to say sorry and it just ends up a battle so I now either ignore or distract him, which defuses it quicker.

DS is very tall for his age and looks like a 4 year old and his language is quite good so he looks capable of understanding more than he actually does.

Last week I arrived to pick DS up at tea time and we had an incident that has upset me and caused all sorts of issues and I really need to know if IABU.

DS started playing up as soon as I got there and I'd only been there 10 minutes when he picked up a handful of gravel (we were sat in the garden) and chucked it. I told him not to and would normally have then distracted him but MIL told me 'This is how we deal with this' then immediately raised her voice and got down in his face and told him not to do it again. Of course DS then did it again straight away. MIL went mad and really shouted at him and then dragged him into the house to sit in the corner. She then came back out and DS followed, crying and having a tantrum then he proceeded to do it again with the gravel. She really screamed at him and dragged him back in the house again. I just sat there frozen. My ex was abusive and really hate shouting and screaming like that. DS was hysterical and ended up sobbing into the sofa as I was just sat there like an idiot not knowing what to do.

We left just after that and I haven't spoken to MIL since. Every time I have thought of taking DS again I feel really anxious and I just don't know what to do about it. He was due to go today and I should have just lied to DH and said he had a temp or something but I stupidly told him the truth and we have now fallen out. I have texted MIL and told her he isn't feeling well.

We are having a few issues in our marriage recently and this is not a good time for this to come up. Am I being U and / or precious to not want my toddler to be shouted at like that? And what the hell do I do?

Thank you if you managed to read all that. Any advice or perspectives appreciated.

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lilithtime · 11/09/2013 13:46

Just to clarify, she's never hit DS, and she doesn't smack the kids routinely any more, I think the last time was when she told me. I hope so anyway, I think my reaction shocked her a bit, she has no friends and the family just let her get on with it so it may have given her a bit of perspective.

I have no idea why DS is like he is, we're pretty calm people overall. He has been such hard work over this last year but he is slowly improving. He's always better when other people look after him though little sod

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MoominMammasHandbag · 11/09/2013 13:51

Yep. your niece is learning it's okay for someone to hit her if they love her. So she's in a very poor place to form healthy relationships as an adult.

MoominMammasHandbag · 11/09/2013 13:53

You know your MIL might have told you about the hitting because she wanted a bit of help? Do you know of any parenting classes nearby? You could offer to go together.

lilithtime · 11/09/2013 13:55

I am far from 'unconcerned' about DN. She has had a really tough start in life and has stability and family around now and I don't think SS would intervene and split up a family for shouting and the odd smack. IL's had to fight to get them away from their abusive mum and they care deeply about their welfare. MIL is not a monster but she does have trouble dealing with being a parent again at her age.

DH's GP are around a lot and DN has a good relationship with them and adores her baby siblings who live with her dad and his GF.

I do want to help MIL. I don't think she has been like that with DS before. It's just now he's getting bigger and pushing boundaries.

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fabergeegg · 11/09/2013 14:15

I'm really appalled that you even need to ask. This is a form of child abuse and should be stopped immediately. No child should be yelled at in that way. If I were in your shoes, my MIL would not have future contact unless I was present. She would also have it explained loud and clear that contact would be further reduced if there was any repeat of such behaviour.

I think you would be selfish to leave your child here again for any reason - marriage, work, whatever. There are some things that take priority over everything and this is one of them. You've already been very, very selfish.

IEatDates · 11/09/2013 14:15

doris as if parenting a 2 year old is that simple.

Fairylea · 11/09/2013 14:19

Wtf! She hit your dn across the face?! That is assault. Your dn could press charges for that.

Your mil doesn't sound sane or safe at all. She shouldn't be looking after ANY children.

lilithtime · 11/09/2013 14:23

How am I selfish? MIL asked to have DS, she loves him and he loves her and has a good relationship with him. I don't agree with it, but I was shouted at, and smacked lots too. My mum is an amazing person and we have a great relationship. A lot of people do shout and smack who are otherwise good people.

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lilithtime · 11/09/2013 14:33

My mum also hit me across the face at the same age. I told MIL this and that it took me a long time to forgive her for it. You wouldn't believe it now, my mum is the most gentle nannie around. It doesn't make it right but I don't think going into care would help DN either.

I have not ignored it and have done my best to help. It would rip apart several families if I were to involve SS including my own.

I want to help without making things worse.

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kali110 · 11/09/2013 14:46

It meant to say wouldn't leave child with her. The child repeatedly throwing stones is naughty behaviour.

thewhitequeen · 11/09/2013 14:54

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ChasedByBees · 11/09/2013 14:56

No I don't think you can leave your son there again. Your poor niece. :(

deakymom · 11/09/2013 15:06

im sorry i would not have sat there while she did that did i misread that part? people have tried to tell me how to parent before and ive refused to let them my child my rules and my own mother told me i should smack my daughter not put her in time out because time out prolongs the punishment she smacked my daughter one day i refused to let her see her for about a months that is how long it took her to agree never to lay a hand on MY DAUGHTER again but i have to say when it comes to my children you bet im unreasonable Smile

redcaryellowcar · 11/09/2013 15:07

Yanbu there is no way you or probably anyone would allow a childminder nanny nursery nurse or teacher to treat a child like that. it is not ok just because it is family. I imagine your sh/dp reacted as he did because he knows its wrong but the 'dealing' with it is something he would rather not do, could always do a bt of a compromise and not tackle situation head on but find other more convenient local childcare but agree with dp that next time you visit he and you agree that any 'incidents' are managed by the two if you and you will simply say to treat mil 'this is how we handle it' firmly and politely and if she getsstuck in agree you will leave!

CaffeineDeficit · 11/09/2013 15:13

I'm sorry, but just because she says she loves your DS doesn't make her actions okay. Deeds count for more than words do - the most important definition of love is as a verb, i.e. something you do, not as a noun, i.e. the feeling of love that you may or may not act in line with. "Going mad" at a young child is emotional abuse, not love

It may be, as others have suggested, that she's under too much stress to be able to act in line with her feelings of love for your son. In that case, reducing that stress by finding alternative childcare for your DS is a kindess

As for your niece, if you're really sure that you can't seek help from SS her, I think you have a duty to make sure that she knows if she ever feels really unsafe at your MILs, she can call you for help.

CaffeineDeficit · 11/09/2013 15:14

*kindness, even

MrsDibble · 11/09/2013 15:27

I wouldn't leave my child there. It would be OK to go and visit together with your ds but you will have to be prepared to say "no, I am parenting my son, not you" and do things your way.

You might not be able to do as much for dn as you would like, but you can make sure ds isn't exposed to these sort of experiences. Just have to be firm with dh I'm afraid because he is wrong in this instance.

Distraction is definitely the method to go for with a 2 year old - they don't really understand "punishment" = even the naughty step will be too much for them at that age. later on you can use reason, certainly as a first resort, but it obvious your ds is too young for anything but distraction.

Most good nurseries etc don't go for the naughty step or anything similar - even in up to 4/5 year olds - it's better to have a "good step" or "good chair" to reward them if they do things well.

Shouting and hitting is definitely not the way to go - I agree with all of the above comments that it just raises tolerance and could well have encouraged the "hitting phase".

hardboiledpossum · 11/09/2013 15:46

I don't think you should leave your ds in her care alone again. Could you offer to take the two teenagers every other weekend, to give her a break and so they have some other adults they can confide in?

Goldenbear · 11/09/2013 18:15

Had your MIL said why she won't let you look after your DN? It is very worrying that she won't and yet she says she is struggling?

Fairy1303 · 11/09/2013 18:26

OP you absolutely cannot leave DS with her again. I understand that it puts you in a difficult position but he is the most important one.

Agree that she has a lot on her plate at the mo which is all the more reason not to leave them with her.

epic78 · 11/09/2013 19:06

My mil is a bit like this. In our case dd is blue eyed girl and I have no qualms about leaving her with mil. Ds is a different story. At chrisrmas I was in the kitchen and ds came in and told me mil had hit him. I think it was just a tap on the hand. I really should have left there and than. Sadly (d) h is also a shouter and has come close to hitting.I was told thst once dh did something to his sister. He ran away rrom him so she left it. When he had forgotten about it she than hit him.
Definately do notbleave your child alone with her.

epic78 · 11/09/2013 19:07

From her (mil)

Hissy · 11/09/2013 19:09

You just can't see it can you?

Your own mother shouted and hit you.

And YOU were in an abusive relationship!

Join the dots woman! Your MIL abuses kids, and raised abusers.

Your mother abused you, and raised a victim.

The only question you need to ask yourself is which one will your DS become?

Get yourself some therapy to recover and heal from the abuse, buy yourself the set of Toxic Parents and Toxic inlaws, and you and your H can swap when you've each finished reading.

Your H is 'embarrassed when your DS throws things (totally normal toddler behaviour) and does the only thing he was raised to do. Shout.

Your MIL may only be saying that she's not hitting, that could be a lie.

Sort this all out OP, you and your children AND your DN deserve better than this.

Hissy · 11/09/2013 19:10

That sounded harsh.

It was meant more as a wake up than a shake.

Please woman-up and put a stop to this appalling parenting today.

ProphetOfDoom · 11/09/2013 19:32

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