To think this man at the cinema was plain nasty?

[WombatCat]

Dh and I watched a film at the cinema on Saturday night.

There was a young man a few rows back from us with very vocal Tourette's. Obviously it was distracting to most people around him, but once the film started I didn't find it an issue. However, one man decided to tell him to shut up and "isn't there a special showing you could go to?"

Quite a few people appeared to be in agreement with him. I now wish I said something.

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Oh, non verbal dd has gone non verbal because her timetable is still not sorted. Back later.

Err read your post at 14:22.

Load noises may be deemed innapproriate and if you mean people talking on mobile phones or babies crying etc you may have a point as they can be avoided.

Someone who makes noise due to a disability cannot help that, therefore we make allowances and as such they are protected by law.

"People with disabilities should be welcomed everywhere."

call off the witch hunt. hawk does think TS suffers should be allowed to enjoy the ballet, cinema and attend lectures at uni after all.

YAY!

I imagine that people with loud ticks, think about nothing else.

Can you imagine for one minute how hard it must be for them? Seriously think about having no control and the reactions they must get from people because they have the audacity to go out in public.

I have no SN children or friends or any exposure to people with ticks but I still have the ability to put myself into someone else shoes.

'being thoughtful'

Goodbye. Thank fuck the people I've met in RL with children with sn are normal, respectful and kind. They're bringing their children up to be part of society. Not elevated above everyone else, but equal.

You've absolutely hardened my resolve that if I am ever disturbed by ANYONE at the cinema, I'll ask for them to leave.

(And yes, I really did call the roh. And yes, they really did day it wouldn't be appropriate for an adult with very loud verbal tics to attend)

OMG how is it elevating someone above other to say that everyone with a ticket is allowed to attend the ballet?

It really really isn't!

Re reasonable allowances. I am all for them. Really, we should all make allowances for others around us.
It is also true that we are all different, have different abilities and sometimes a jack in ability will stop us from doing what we would like to. Sometimes.

Now I would want to question.
Should acceptable allowances be the same for NT and disabled people? Should they be the same for all disabled people?
So we make allowances for people at the cinema re noise and accept they can make a big of noise eating. Should we have the same level of allowance for people with SN?
I would say NO because for some of them, le level of effort required to make 'a little but of noise only' is doing that it is impossible to do (and that's assuming they could do so which isn't always the case).
On the other side, how much effort do we ask NT people to do when we ask them to accept 'a little but of noise' us a but more? I would say much less that asking the disabled person to be relatively quiet.
So should they make the effort? I would say YES.

Now should NT people always make the effort? I don't think so. And I am yet to meet apparent if an adult with SN who actually behaves as if everyone should now to them and accept everything in every circumstances. All if them I found ate careful individuals who gave learnt to balance their needs against others.

Whatihavd found though is that if you say to NT thatsomebehavioyrs aren't acceptable, evenftompeople with SN it soon becomes 'No special allowance made for people with SN' which is clearly an issue.

Oh bloody hell! I go to work and all hell breaks loose.

Yes, sn parents are tough. That is because we have had to fight for every tiny bit of help and acceptance.

What do you think it would be like to live with tics 24 hours a day. You can't turn them off and still have to go about your everyday business only you do it with stares and sniggers and sometimes outright abuse.

Why should someone with tics not be able to kick back and do something they enjoy?

Sorry spelling is awful...
On phone

www.theguardian.com/music/2009/apr/12/tourettes-pianist-music-performance NickVanBloss]] is a classical pianist who suffers from Tourettes, and has played at the Royal Opera House.

TobiasPicker is a composer whose work has been performed at the Royal Opera House

As has JamesMcConnell

I would be interested to see what their take would be on someone with verbal tics not being allowed to sit through a performance at the ROH.

MNHQ why the fuck is this thread still here?

Do we really need this shit on here?

'This is my child' hello?

Thanks strokey

Well this thread certainly sorts the wheat from the chaff doesn't it?

Strokey decided yesterday she/he has nothing to learning and I am dim apparently.

amber several people myself included have had their perception really shifted by this thread. It hasn't been all bad.

And please don't pull the 'witch hunt' line.

If several people point out that something you are saying is disabilist, the most likely explanation is that you are in fact saying something disabilist.

Learning? FFs *learn

Yes I too am shocked and amazed to see strokeys' POV on this thread given the other...

Strokey, I am actually pretty sure that none of the parents in here would go out to annoy people just because they can. If you read even though this thread, you have some examples of what parents do so that their dcs can still enjoy the cinema, theatre or whatever but would never impose a shouting child to the other people present.
All just because they can.

That's not how people with SN and their parents are.

But they are all individuals that have learnt that if you don't fight for that little bit if freedom and extra allowance and sometimes ask for more, then they get excluded because no special allowance is made for them.
Surely, if we can ask someone with Tourette to restrict his outings for the comfort of others, we can also ask these 'others' to lower their requirement for silence about too?

Should that not work both ways?