To think it is polite for people with buggies to fold them when a bus is busy

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I suppose this will have mixed replies .

I am not talking of prams with sleeping babies in or even the buggies with sleeping toddlers in but those parents whom have a buggy with say a 4 year old in who is awake and who will not fold down said buggy when a single decker is getting very packed .

The other day I was on a bus and two buggies were on there , one had one of those boards at the back where an older child can stand (I do not know what they are called as never had one) , Now, the child was asleep but that is not the issue ,, The Mother watched an elderly lady slowly go by as this board was sticking out , then another pram tried to leave the bus and only at the last minute (after much struggling by the leaving Mother) did she push up the board ! Ive also seen people refuse to fold them up as a wheelchair wishes to get on .

Oh dear god.. sorry.. damn computer

Celia having a medical condition that means you can struggle to fold does not always entitle you to a blue badge also the wheelchair bay is for wheelchairs not blue badge holders. Blue badge holders can usually sit elsewhere a wheelchair can't.

Murderofgoths its the day for it blame mn. Someone on another thread posted about 10 times.

'The rule about wheelchair users having priority in my opinion is unfair - if you CAN fold your buggy then you do it out of courtesy but making it a rule is dodgy - there are disabilities that aren't visible or don't need a wheelchair that would make folding a pushchair and holding a child very very difficult, such as arthritis or like what I have, a nervous condition that causes my hands and wrists to go numb sometimes. Also, young disabled children often use pushchairs rather than wheelchairs so this is also something to take into account. I think it should just be first come first serve, no room for debate there!'

Unfair? You chose to have children. no-one chooses a disability ffs. That has to be the most stupid thing I've read today. Precious parents outnumber wheelchair users so we'd be waiting all fucking day while the 'oh I cant fold, I'm much to precious' brigade occupied the WHEELCHAIR space.
It is not unfair, it is a wheelchair space campaigend for by disabled people for decades. You want your own special buses, spend decades campaigning for them. But you wont. You want our spaces. And in a few short years when we are still in fucking wheelchairs dealing with more parents like yourselves bleating about how unfair it all is, you will have forgotten all this.

But people are assuming here that a wheelchair user has no mobility at all. This is not neccessarily true, if they just can't walk far, they could be more capable of folding their chair than someone with an alternate non-wheelchair-needing disability is if folding a pram and juggling a baby?

you are talking about wheelchair users having to fold their chairs for people with prams?

Are you actually being serious?

Fanjo, I did specifically say that some, not all, wheelchair users could be more capable of folding their chairs than some, not all, disabled-but-not-in-a-wheelchair mums.

Do you disagree with that exact statement?

I did not say, first come first served, me and my pfb were here first so get someone to fold your chair and carry you on.

Yes i disagree with that statement, and think it is ridiculous.

Beyond I am one of those non wheelchair using people with a disability, I suffer from arthritis so badly in one shoulder that at times I can not use my arm at all. I also suffered a minor stroke last year but wheelchair users take priority because there is nothing wrong with my legs.

Ok then.

So you know where I'm coming from, I know people who have the exact condition as me, to the exact extent as me, who choose to use a wheelchair. I choose to struggle with a pushchair and be in pain.
So if there were two of me, one had a pram and baby and the other a wheelchair, no questions, the place should always go to the person in the chair?

I understand and of course agree that someone who is immobile should get the priority every single time. I just think there is room for a bit of thought in the less obvious cases.

well if there were two of you, and you are disabled, then it would be ideal if there were two spaces. Daft expecting person with chair to try and fold though.

Jacks, people can be in wheelchairs without there being anything wrong with their legs. If it were legs vs arm problems, of course legs would "win" for a wheelchair space

its not about their ability, its about their being room for their wheelchair to fit on the bus anyway. Don't see lots of people on bus in folding wheelchairs tbh.

Beyond you can ask for help and sit in a regular seat much easier than someone in a wheelchair can. I choose in most instances to walk instead thats my choice. As I stated earlier those are wheelchair bays not bays for disabled people, they have different seats that they get priority for.

Of course, even if each case were decided individually, there would be no way to know anyway, unless everyone had badges declaring their exact disability and how it affected them! I guess it just bugs me that people assume everyone in a wheelchair is completely immobile and everyone who isnt is absolutely fine.

Beyond I do not know anyone in a wheelchair who chooses to be in one and put up with all the fuss and inconvenience when it isn't needed.

I didnt say it isnt needed, I said they are not completely immobile, its not the same thing.

I'd fold my buggy to make space for anyone in a wheelchair and I would move my buggy if it was obstructing the aisle.

I wouldn't fold it for much else though, it is a total PITA, especially on a moving bus with a boisterous toddler

I'd fold my buggy to make space for anyone in a wheelchair and I would move my buggy if it was obstructing the aisle.

I wouldn't fold it for much else though, it is a total PITA, especially on a moving bus with a boisterous toddler

I'd fold my buggy to make space for anyone in a wheelchair and I would move my buggy if it was obstructing the aisle.

I wouldn't fold it for much else though, it is a total PITA, especially on a moving bus with a boisterous toddler

I'd fold my buggy to make space for anyone in a wheelchair and I would move my buggy if it was obstructing the aisle.

I wouldn't fold it for much else though, it is a total PITA, especially on a moving bus with a boisterous toddler

I couldn't possibly fold my pushchair, wake my baby or get off the bus for a wheelchair user because my baby is the infant messiah.

Back to the Op though, as the wheelchair thing is hypothetical in my case anyway (as I said in my first post), I wouldnt fold a pram just because the bus is full, any more than I assume you would expect someone in a wheelchair to fold if the bus was full?

Before I was ill, I would have though.

Where do you suggest they put the wheelchair beyond? Because our local buses the only place it would go even if folded is the wheelchair bay so you still couldn't get a pram in it.

I avoid rush hour with the pram for that very reason when ever possible. I always leave earlier or later. I had to once and got stuck on the bus because a load of school kids wouldn't get out of the way, folding would not have helped.