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family meals in the evening

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applebread · 07/09/2013 09:48

In a number of European countries it is normal for families to eat together in the evening with a proper meal of two or three courses. We sit down together and eat at the same table at the same time with cutlery and we all eat the sametthing except where a person has a special diet.

The meals do not need to take a long time to make. It may be something like a bit of fish and some steamed vegetables with a mousse after or a pasta dish then poached pears.

The time for eating together is seen as sacrosanct and it isununusual for people to prioritise other things instead of the meal in the evening. It is normal whether the parents work full time or not. The other thing is that with a proper meal that smacks are not so common and not normal (so toddler wandering around with sippy cup and raisins would be seen as odd).

From mn I read threads where posters say there is no tlme t to eat together and kids are fed special food different from adults and sometimes it is even a sandwich.

Although I have lived in the UK for my whole life I didn't encounter much of this in my childhood as I always ate with my family and when I was a student and in my early twenties I thought it was just people being busy and a bit rebellious making them choose not to eat traditional meals.

But I know that some of my dc friends have meals from the microwave all at different times and the children eat fishfingers and beans while the adults eat normal food .it is also very common to snack and especially for toddlers the dc nursery found it odd when I asked that the dc didn't snack between meals. I didn't insist on this in the end as it would have been difficult for them.

Aibu to think the uk way of eating patterns is less healthy and ddoesn't expose dc to family conversation and greatervvariety of food?

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Meglet · 07/09/2013 17:42

We eat together at home probably once or twice a month. It's not much fun trying to make conversation with young children and no other adults to talk to. I need quiet time to eat after work so try to eat once I've put them to bed.

What I do do is take them out for a meal most weeks so we can have quality time together. They are well behaved in restaurants and totally unfussy.

pointythings · 07/09/2013 17:46

We eat meals together at the table, but only a main course and usually something simple as we both work. The DDs have to be up at 7am to be ready for school and they need their sleep, so bedtime is 8.30 - dinner is at 6pm so that there's time for homework, talking about our day and reading to them at bedtime.

However, DH and I have standard daytime 9-5-ish jobs (8-4 and 7-4 in our case though). It isn't possible for everyone.

WorrySighWorrySigh · 07/09/2013 17:50

God, the OP has reminded me of meals with my parents 30 years ago. Dreary food served up at the alter dining table. Nobody allowed to miss a meal.

Well, I warn you OP, dont be surprised if your DCs reject your fish and steamed vegetables (I am trying and failing to think of food which sounds more grey) and choose a more relaxed and tasty approach.

wordfactory · 07/09/2013 17:59

I think eating together as a family is A Good Thing. I'm sure most people agree.

However, in the UK, professional people generally don't get home in time to eat with their DC. Non-professional people often work shifts. Trades people often use their evenimgs to give quotes and price up jobs etc.

House prices often mean commutes are long.

So most people do it when they can. That said, I wouldn't feed my DC something I wouldn't eat myself just because the family can't eat together that night.

WireCat · 07/09/2013 18:01

I'd love to do this.

Except, my kids are starving when they get home from school so eat by about 4.30. Dh doesn't get home from work till 7pm at the earliest.

So the kids eat by themselves during the week.

chebella · 07/09/2013 18:12

I live in a 'European' country famous for the 'sacrosanct' family meal. After school, snacks are doled out - normally some sugary baked goods/biscuits - this keeps kids going til family dinner time. But the kids have a nap at school in the afternoon so waiting for a later dinner is no big deal. BTW, I sorely miss the low sugar/salt kids snacks that are available in the UK supermarkets - bosoms would be well hooked if most UK parents could see how much sugary crap is doled out here dailey by schools and families - although there is a lot of great seasonal stuff too, so,all in all a balanced diet I suppose!

Jan49 · 07/09/2013 18:22

What's wrong with snacking? So long as its healthy? Me n DH like to eat with dd but as we work full time tea isn't till 6pm at the earliest. Do you seriously seriously expect an 18month toddler to go without food for 6 hours??????? Cos lunch at nursery is 11:30/12 and 'snack' at 3 ish.

I don't really understand about snacking. Isn't it just eating lots of extra food? When I had a toddler, he didn't have snacks and we would have had lunch at around 1pm and dinner at around 8pm. I don't really understand why a toddler can't have 3 meals a day like everyone else. Isn't the intention behind weaning a child that they should move to 3 meals a day, breakfast, lunch and dinner, not 3 meals plus several snacks, and there will be around 3-6 hours between meals if they're up for 12+ hours. I appreciate that all children are different though. I just wonder if it's a generational thing that parents now think their children have to be constantly fed rather than given 3 meals a day and now we have a childhood obesity problem.Confused

LtEveDallas · 07/09/2013 18:25

DD and I eat together at the table around 1800-1830. DH isnt hungry until later, so eats off his knees at about 2000 (and DD is in bed).

We eat together at weekends, because DD is allowed to stay up later so we eat later in the evenings.

DD eats whatever we are eating, but if its something spicy (chilli/curry etc) I will tone it down to suit her.

I get pissed off in pubs/restaurants when the kids menu is all nuggets/chips, sausage/chips when DD would be better off with just a smaller version of an adults meal.

My mum and dad are the most old fashioned 'English' people I know, but they did exactly the same, bought me up that way and I'm now carrying it on with DD, so I just don't get how this is considered a 'European' way to eat. To me that would be a large cooked midday meal and a cold 'snacky' evening meal.

BackforGood · 07/09/2013 18:40

Only English and Welsh blood in me (does that count as 'European' ?) but we all eat together around a table, as a matter of course, with it being very unusual for it to be any different. It's a pretty normal thing to do in the circles I mix in. Obviously I think it's a good thing (for all sorts of reasons) - that's why we do it - but I understand there are lots of reasons why not everyone can.

I don't know if it's an 'English not being your first language' thing, but your OP does come across as being very judgemental I'm afraid.

wordfactory · 07/09/2013 18:40

Jan even the French give their DC a snack at around 4pm. Le Gouter is usually a chocoltae spread sandwich, or chocolate biscuit or similar.

FamiliesShareGerms · 07/09/2013 18:43

We make an effort to have breakfast together at the weekend and Sunday lunch whenever possible, but it is just impossible to have dinner all together during the week. Somehow my children are still able to use cutlery, hold a conversation etc.

ToysRLuv · 07/09/2013 18:47

A toddler being made to wait for 6 hours between meals doesn't sound right to me. They have small tummies that need to be filled often. The "goal" of weaning is simply moving on from milk to solids. Three meals? No. It would be impossible for DS. He is like me and gets very grumpy and light-headed if there's too long a gap between food. Eating snack doesn't equal "obesity". How ridiculous!

Jan49 · 07/09/2013 19:09

ToysRLuv, I wasn't suggesting a toddler should be made to wait, I just would expect them to be eating 3 meals a day and not need feeding inbetween. A child who eats breakfast lunch and dinner isn't being made to wait for anything. And if snacking means lots of extra food then it's not a great leap to connect that with childhood obesity.

happyhorse · 07/09/2013 19:13

DH has European parents who share your horror of sandwiches and every meal has to be a long drawn out affair with many courses. DH says he spent most of his childhood bored out of his wits at the table and passive smoking as all the adults puffed away.

applebread · 07/09/2013 19:17

My toddler doesn't wait 6 hours between meals. We have the gouter after school around 4. The sort of thing the kids have had for their gouter this week are yoghurt and grapes, buttered toast, bananas, pain au chocolate, cheese and apples. This is a small meal 3 hours before we have dinner at 6.30. The little dc have their bath before dinner and eat in pyjamas and go to ned straight after. My eldest has a bit of time before bed

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ToysRLuv · 07/09/2013 19:19

Well, is extra food bad if it means smaller, healthier meals so there's no need to gorge when you do eat, because you know you won't have to last 6 hours without?

I understand there are differences between individuals. Some do not need much food and don't mind waiting in between meals (you are probably like this), but most people do need snacks. A snack can be an apple, a yoghurt, whatever. It doesn't need to be crisps, chocolate, sausage roll or anything like that.

The obesity crisis is not solved by removing snacks. You can still be obese eating 3 meals a day if you eat the wrong amounts of the wrong things.

wigglesrock · 07/09/2013 19:21

My husband works shifts - nights, earlys, weekends, bank holidays etc. We very rarely eat together as a family - my kids are small 8, 5 &2. They have their one course meal at 5pmish.

I eat with a very large extended family every Sunday - parents, grannys, great grannys, aunts, uncles, cousins, various aunties who aren't really aunties Smile. Do I get extra European points for that?

Crowler · 07/09/2013 19:26

Like I'm going to eat dinner at 6. No thanks.

I feed my kids at 6 and am there while they eat, normally my husband is too. We chat during this time. Then we eat after they go to bed.

There is no way I'm going to eat dinner at 6.

SpiceAddict · 07/09/2013 19:32

Maybe older kids can do without snacks but my Ds is 5 and asks for food all day. He eats his breakfast/lunch/dinner too, but just seems to need something every few hours.

He is as skinny as a rake and my friends say their DC do the same! Fwiw I haven't seen any overweight kids in his class or nursery.

I don't know if kids now snack more than they we used to. My mum does say that she couldn't afford snacks when we were little so there probably was less food available. Maybe is was usual to feel hungry for part of the day. Why should my kids feel hungry if I can afford to feed them well? If they do start to put on weight I will look at things, but for the moment they look like they need it!

ToysRLuv · 07/09/2013 19:43

Besides, to me the idea(l) of 3 meals a day is a bit arbitrary. Why not 2 or 4? Is the logic: "the less you eat, the more virtuous you are"? Is snacking in fact "gluttonous and a mark of a weak body and spirit"? I have been anorexic, so I would win that "competition", I'm afraid. I just don't see the point (or "virtuousness") of denying myself or my DS food if we fancy some/are hungry. No obesity problems here..

manicinsomniac · 07/09/2013 19:46

I suppose it depends on whether you live to eat or eat to live.

We eat to live. I'm not going to waste all night every night in the house just so we can eat a meal ffs! My children and I are at the same school (no father) and don't leave there until 5pm 3 nights a week and 11pm the other 2 nights. On the 5pm nights we go straight onto dance or gymnastics. Breakfast and lunch are always eaten at school and dinner either in the car or at school depending on the day. We also have school and stage school on Saturdays so our kitchen only gets used for 5 meals a week, 2 of them being breakfasts.

I just don't get the importance of food. Obviously we need to eat but I don't care when or what, as long as it's healthy food. Why's it so much worse to have a pasta salad or a chicken wrap in the car on the way to actually live life than to have a spaghetti bologneses at the table before spending all night stuck in the house?

FoundAChopinLizt · 07/09/2013 19:50

We usually have canapés and aperitifs at 7pm, light starter around 7.15 followed by a quick sorbet, main course at 7,45 then a dessert with seasonal fruit and cheese platter with coffee.

The children do eat with us, but they don't have to wear white tie on a school day and they aren't allowed coffee so late.

We live in a very provincial town in a lesser known part of Europe known as OopNorth.

CashmereHoodlum · 07/09/2013 19:50

With cutlery?

Therealamandaclarke · 07/09/2013 19:52

All this talk of raisins and sandwiches and slatternly food consumption!
I need a lie down, a Brew and a Biscuit

dreamingofsun · 07/09/2013 19:58

at one stage my son used to have a snack before dinner (say 4 bananas), eat dinner and desert, and then an hour later have another snack because he was hungry again.

he was having a growing spurt and needed the energy. i think this is fairly common for teenagers, and no-one would describe him as obese...though he has always been very sporty

so are you saying i should have starved him?

I do agree, in principle, with sitting down eating as a family. But not if it gets in the way of work or hobbies or education. that is just sad, putting food so high above other things

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