Page 17 | To think size 12 is not "heavy"

CruCru · 2013-08-30T17:51:24+00:00

I keep seeing comments on here from people who are size 10/12 who think they are heavy. I would never think this is even remotely heavy, just a healthy slim size.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 31/08/2013 23:38

ouryve Exactly. It doesn't give us a free pass to denigrate other women's concerns. They may be valid, they may be invalid, but it's not for anyone else to say. Just because I've been given the last rites it doesn't mean I'm the arbiter of what's important and what's trivial for everyone else in the world for the rest of time.

VileWoman · 31/08/2013 23:42

You'd have to be very short to be 'heavy' as a size 12. I'm 5'2" and have a healthy BMI and wear a size 12/14. I can see that body shape might make a difference, I'm fairly gifted in the boobs (30G) so my dress size is pushed up by my breasts. My Mum wears smaller tops than me but has a much lumpier waist area than I do (I have trouble getting trousers that fit round the waist, they are all too baggy).

PosyNarker · 01/09/2013 00:06

Crikey, it's enlightening to see it all from the other side. I was always thin but curvy, fantastic metabolism etc. Then I had a serious, if not immediately life-threatening illness, requiring steroids. It took best part of three years to get this under control during which I got a big baw face and a belly. I was always chunky of leg, but concave stomach, hourglass figure, skinny face.

It's been 18 months. I work out. I'm strong, fit, healthy, still fat. My metabolism is shot to shit. I could lose I'm sure by doing 1000 cals per day and I probably will but it's a hard pill to swallow for someone who was previously 'gifted' with a brilliant metabolism.

I choose to focus on the fact my natural muscle building hasn't apparently been impacted, so I am strong and I am fast...but I am also fat.

WorraLiberty · 01/09/2013 00:39

Vilewoman I'm 5ft 3" and would be very 'heavy' (or fat) if I were to go to a size 12.

I really do think it depends on height, frame and how/where we carry our weight.

foreverondiet · 01/09/2013 01:09

Depends on height. Heavy for me at 5 foot 4. But maybe not heavy if taller.

ceeci · 01/09/2013 01:22

It really depends on the build of the person and also some people can squeeze themselves into size 12's, it doesn't mean they are a 12 though!!

Vanity sizing is outrageous in some shops also and people may find that they have been gaining weight over the years but yet they magically fit into smaller size clothes than they used to!

Thumbwitch · 01/09/2013 01:28

Actually waist circumference all by itself is a better predictor of certain weight-related diseases/conditions, such as type II diabetes and high blood pressure. WHR in combination with BMI makes a better predictor than BMI by itself, as BMI doesn't take into account fat distribution, where WHR does.

Bunbaker · 01/09/2013 08:34

"The British are (on average) overweight."

Sadly that seems to be true. I have just come back from a holiday in Italy. The only overweight Italians I saw were much older people. I didn't see any young overweight Italians, but I did see young overweight British people.

FiftyShadesofGreyMatter · 01/09/2013 09:17

Talkinpeace - that's interesting. So today's size 14 is really an 18! Brits these days are really kidding themselves, eh. I wasn't aware of this as haven't lived in the UK for 27 years.

Pinupgirl · 01/09/2013 09:41

Apologies if I touched a raw nerve with the question about your eating disorder alls but you were the one who brought it up so I assumed you were happy to discuss it. Perhaps if you wish to keep these things private then keep it off a talk forum?

Let me say once more for those whom for whatever reasons seem to have decided to try and pick my posts apart-I don't give a shit what other women weigh-ypu can be size 8 or size 28-couldnt give a flying fuck.

. Its irrelevant to me. If they want to diet or be gym fanantics-good for them. But don't lecture me about my weight or how I choose to live my life because you are unhaopy with yours.

GrandstandingBlueTit · 01/09/2013 09:44

Good Lord, Pinupgirl - wake up on the wrong side of bed, did you?!

Alisvolatpropiis · 01/09/2013 09:54

Pinup

Try apologising without using the word "if" next time. I am fine discussing it in the past tense because that is what it is, in the past. You were unnecessarily rude.

Off you go to being your gorgeous and oh so confident self. Have a nice day.

Nannyme1 · 01/09/2013 09:57

This thread has got me very depressed!
I'm 5'7 and all the people saying they are that height or taller and weight less than me saying they think they could lose 7-10lbs... Just confirms my beliefs that everyone has been trying to talk me out of for years!

Had do idea about the vanity sizing.. Now shops could be VERY different but had no idea jus how much things had changed.

Nannyme1 · 01/09/2013 09:57

This thread has got me very depressed!
I'm 5'7 and all the people saying they are that height or taller and weight less than me saying they think they could lose 7-10lbs... Just confirms my beliefs that everyone has been trying to talk me out of for years!

Had do idea about the vanity sizing.. Now shops could be VERY different but had no idea jus how much things had changed.

Nannyme1 · 01/09/2013 09:57

Sorry posted twice

usuallyright · 01/09/2013 09:58

I'm sorry, but size 12 is not "very heavy" or fat if you're 5ft 3, absolutely no way. I don't care what kind of shape you are! Ridiculous.
The only possibility of a 5ft3 person being "very heavy" as a size 12, is if you have a very very skewed, unhealthy image of your body. It's very telling and unsurprising that there are people here, on this thread, who've had/have eating disorders, chillingly advising us that size 12 is fat.
It's quite scary that teenage girls could stumble upon this and believe it.
It's simply not true.
It's a symptom of body dysmorphia is what it is.

usuallyright · 01/09/2013 10:02

for those unfortunate enough to have stumbled on this thread, in need of some positivity, click here:

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/4014153/Size-14-women-happiest-with-life-and-looks.html

ArtemisatBrauron · 01/09/2013 10:02

I was a large 10 sometimes a 12 in my first year at uni (living away from home, eating crap, drinking way too much

I was definitely too heavy for my height - 5'1.5. I looked bloated and unhealthy. I am a 6-8 now and still not "skinny" - I have 28E boobs and carry weight on my hips/upper thighs.

If I were a true 12 I would look dreadful.

working9while5 · 01/09/2013 10:04

I think it's nuts there's 400+ posts on this. Does it matter? I mean, I know MN excels on the small stuff but is this even controversial? Really, people care?

Salbertina · 01/09/2013 10:07

Height is obviously key- v short people may well be overweight and a 12, v tall people, slim.

Pinupgirl · 01/09/2013 10:25

Completely agree usual-it is so fucking depressing that people on here are so insecure with how they look that they have nothing better to do than to attack me because I am happy with myself. Honestly if they were truly happy why would they give a fuck what I have to say?

There is no zealot like former fatties it seems going by this thread.

alls-I apologised.If you don't have the grace to accept it that's your look out. I wish you continued good health and good weight.

Alisvolatpropiis · 01/09/2013 10:26

Thanks Pinup. That last comment of mine was ungracious.

usuallyright · 01/09/2013 10:31

pinup, I bailed out as soon as I guessed/ realised that people with eating disorders were handing out advice to other people. Several celebrities now recovered from eating disorders, including at least one Spice Girl, were oce evangelical about being skinny. Many years later they confessed that they'd been fighting an eating disorder at the time. I remember my sister reading an interview one of them did many years ago, about how fit, healthy and happy they were and so much better at a smaller (size 6) size. They later admitted that they'd been ill and had bulimia. I know there are a few rare cases of naturally tiny older women wearing size zero, but most are like the Spice Girl, fighting a daily battle against an eating disorder.

SlobAtHome · 01/09/2013 10:34

People coming on and saying others have body dysmorphia because they dare to say what is over weight is what is wrong with the country and why we are turning into a fat nation. The amount of excusing you see between people (men and women) day to day in RL life is . Nobody (me included) dares to say 'actually you are overweight and you look it'

The amount of times people tell me I am too skinny and need to eat more every week is crazy when I have a healthy BMI. BMI is a good measure, the arguments people use against it are pathetic (and tbh, not based on any fact as it's usually about build and bone - both of which can be proven to not make much difference). It's because we don't like to accept that over all we have many overweight people walking all around now.

The people telling me I need to eat more are always overweight people who try to tell me they are happy with their bodies but will later admit to wanting to look slimmer/ hating the way they look. It's so frustrating.

I genuinely am confident in my body because I know that I am a good weight, I eat well except the chocolate and sweets , I have worked on muscle and fat, I feel fit and energetic (you can't have much energy if you are underweight - fact), and I also have people, men and women commenting on how nice my body is. shame about the face

Last year I had put on some weight so I go back to the gym and got rid of it. Then people harp on about being jealous and how they can't do anything about their weight etc. Er, go to the gym and actually push yourself, don't walk half arsed on the treadmill!

Ok I got lost on my point and had a rant.

Alisvolatpropiis · 01/09/2013 10:37

usuallyright

Having had an eating disorder doesn't preclude people from being able to have an opinion on why Britain is a fat nation.

You have charming opinions across the board I've noticed.