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To not really understand the problem with driving in the middle lane?

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BrokenSunglasses · 16/08/2013 09:15

I've done a lot of motorway driving recently, and it's got me thinking, because I don't really understand when it's ok to be in the middle lane and when it's not.

I've worked out that its ok to stay in the middle lane when there's lots of cars/lorries on the inside lane and I'm going faster, but how long is it ok to stay in the middle lane when there's nothing right next to you on the inside lane?

Sometimes I stay in there longer than I perhaps should, but that's either because I can see that I'd only have to move out again in a minute because there's a slow moving lorry ahead, or because I can see a junction coming up and there will be cars filtering onto the the motorway.

I did that yesterday, and got flashed a lot by a van behind me, but it was raining so the visibility was crap, and I'd have had to slow down and be too close behind the car that was on the inside lane and would have been able to see even less because of the spray. It seems to me to be sensible to leave lots of space inbetween vehicles when it's raining, but this van made me doubt myself. He overtook me in the outside lane eventually, and I thought he should have just done that in the first place because that's what it's there for.

Was I being a lane hog or was he being a twat?

I really don't get it.

OP posts:
RobotHamster · 16/08/2013 17:47

A couple of seconds before you move out isn't enough notice. You'd almost be indicating as you move.

TarkaTheOtter · 16/08/2013 17:48

I felt like flashing someone today who clearly thought they could sit in the passing lane of a dual carriageway doing 65 (I presume they smugly thought they were doing 70), to the point where other cars were undertaking them. Or all the people doing 45-50 in good conditions on national speed limit roads.
And in particular the drivers who drive 40 regardless of whether in a 30 or 60 zone.

Grrr I have spent a lot of time in the car today.

StuntGirl · 16/08/2013 17:49

I'm astounded at the people on here who knowingly drive like shit and ignore the highway code.

If you don't know how to drive on the motorway; take a motorway driving lesson.

If you are unwilling to do that; get off the motorway.

It's that simple.

amicissimma · 16/08/2013 17:52

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flowery · 16/08/2013 17:58

There's a stretch of motorway near me which is 4 lanes and never busy. It's great.

However what's not great is people sitting in lanes 2 or 3 for absolutely no reason. I think because there are 4 they somehow feel they don't need to use the first lane.

What ends up happening is you have to move three lanes, overtake, then move back three lanes. Arrrgghh!

And a message for lorry drivers. If the lorry in front of you is going 1 or 2 mph slower than you'd like, and it's going to take you 10 minutes to overtake, and it's a busy road, do everyone a favour and stay put rather than cause miles of tailbacks. Especially if you're about to start going up a hill.

JenaiMorris · 16/08/2013 18:05

Reading with interest as I have a tiny car, which is sometimes a bit scary to be in on the motorway, sandwiched between trucks who I'm sure can't see me.

I spend a lot of time in the middle lane (if cross country isn't an option that is).

SirChenjin · 16/08/2013 18:08

"Highway Code Rule Number 268:

"Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake."

limitedperiodonly · 16/08/2013 18:21

tiggyD I lurked on that mole thread. What's your position again? Did you advocate live and let live or chopping them in half? Wink

I've been driving a long time and I don't think I'm any better or any worse than the average driver. Actually, that's not true. I think I'm an excellent driver, because everyone else here seems to Wink

I reserve the right to make my own decisions about the road conditions as well as my intentions and my anticipation of what other road users might do. I expect other people to do that too without a lot of drama.

When I was first driving I used to behave as if I was a lesser being because I was a girl who drove a 1000cc Mini.

I always pulled over on motorways when someone came up aggressively behind me in the middle lane as if there wasn't another lane on the right they could pull into and pass me safely.

The day I was intimidated into pulling left at 70mph and nearly smashed into someone pulling out from the nearside lane without indicating was the day that made me think that though I knew what I was doing, other people clearly didn't.

It was undoubtedly my fault for pulling in too close and it was also the person on the inside's fault for not looking or indicating. Doesn't matter, because if we'd collided 25 years ago we might have been dead and the arsehole driver who thought he or she was qualified to teach me lane discipline would have gone sailing by.

Since then I've taken what other people think is good driving with a pinch of salt unless they're traffic police or advanced drivers.

JenaiMorris · 16/08/2013 18:24

In my defence, I drive plenty fast enough so I'm not hogging - I just hate being stuck between juggernauts Grin

neepsandtatties · 16/08/2013 18:32

Indicator just shows they want to move out - if I see a car i am about to overtake indicating if I can I will move over so they can come out.

I always do that when it is safe to do so, but I'm talking about the times when people indicate just as you are overtaking them and it's too close/too fast/too much traffic to be able to change lane myself. I have a heart attack!

A couple of seconds before you move out isn't enough notice. You'd almost be indicating as you move.

I was taught never to move lanes if doing so would require another drive to change speed, so I only indicate (then check blind spot) and move when cars are a considerable distance behind me.

Okay, I accept that they are not being unreasonable to turn on their indicators just as I am drawing level with their bumper, but it still puts my heart in my mouth!

Sirzy · 16/08/2013 18:35

If a car indicating makes you panic that much then you don't sound a very safe driver.

If you want to manoeuvre you indicate and then move when its safe to do so. Indicating shows your intention to move not that you are going to do it that second. Sometimes an oncoming car can adjust their speed reasonably, or move over, to allow you to come over sooner.

TarkaTheOtter · 16/08/2013 18:35

I'm sure I was told to only indicate if there was actually space to change lane/pull out. I.e it was signalling something I intended to do imminently rather than something I wished to do.

SirChenjin · 16/08/2013 18:36

Since then I've taken what other people think is good driving with a pinch of salt unless they're traffic police or advanced drivers

Absolutely agree with this. There are far too many people on the roads who over-estimate their driving abilities.

neepsandtatties · 16/08/2013 18:50

I agree Tarka

From www.drivingtesttips.biz/motorway-overtaking.html

"Overtaking on a motorway

Before even attempting to change direction, check both your main interior and right side mirror for any vehicles approaching from behind. Car mirrors do not cover all of the field of vision.

Take a look into the right side blind spot before signalling. The blind spot will require you looking briefly over your right shoulder. Ensure that it is clear and there are no vehicles approaching at high speed from behind.

If all clear, signal to the right to allow others to see your intention of changing lanes. It is law that you must signal to the right.

Steer gently to the right into the next available lane to the right and once there, look into your rear view mirror for approaching vehicles and cancel your signal."

According to that, the order is 'mirror, signal, manouvre' (as per normal driving), not 'signal, mirror, manouvre'. So no one should put on their indicators just as I get level with their bumpers, so when they do, I don't think it makes me an unsafe driver to be concerned about their intentions!

flowery · 16/08/2013 18:56

Yes AFAIK indicating means "I'm about to move" not "please let me out"

SarahAndFuck · 16/08/2013 19:06

OP, to answer your question in your first post, yes you were being a lane hog and yes he was being a twat.

"but how long is it ok to stay in the middle lane when there's nothing right next to you on the inside lane?"

If there's nothing next to you and it's safe to move in, then move in. It frees up a massive amount of the road and makes everyones journey safer and easier.

"Sometimes I stay in there longer than I perhaps should"

Then you are most likely being a lane hog and ought to move in if you can do so safely.

"but that's either because I can see that I'd only have to move out again in a minute because there's a slow moving lorry ahead"

No real excuse if it's safe for you to move in. You should move in when it's safe and move back out when you reach the lorry. If everyone did this then again, everyones journeys would more than likely be safer, quicker and easier.

You should be able to judge when this is safe and when it's not, and base your decision on that rather than on feeling there's no point because you can see another lorry further on down the road. If you can't judge when it's safe or not, or if you just decide you can't be bothered because you'll only have to move out again, you don't belong on the motorway.

"or because I can see a junction coming up and there will be cars filtering onto the the motorway."

It still might not be necessary for you to be in the middle lane. Cars filtering onto the motorway should be looking for a gap in the inside lane and driving to speed accordingly.

If there is a reasonable gap between vehicles in the inside lane nobody should need to move over to or sit in the middle lane well in advance of the junction. You shouldn't have to do their thinking for them at the expense of people already on the motorway. The safest thing you can do in this situation is leave a reasonable gap between you and the vehicle in front rather than block a lane you don't necessarily need to be in.

"I did that yesterday" - if you were safe to move in then you should have moved in. Everyone should have been driving to the conditions of the road so you might have been better slowing down to 50/55 even though you say you didn't want to, because from your description of the spray and poor visibility it sounds like you would have been safer at that speed.

Again, it sounds like you were both at fault. You admit you had stayed out longer than you should have and the van driver was probably doing the same. If you had both been moving in when it was safe to do so and moving out to overtake slower moving vehicles the situation you describe probably wouldn't have happened.

As it was, you were hogging a lane and he was driving like a twat, especially in the poor conditions you describe.

However this "I don't really understand when it's ok to be in the middle lane and when it's not" , this "He overtook me in the outside lane eventually, and I thought he should have just done that in the first place because that's what it's there for." and this "I really don't get it." make me think you are being unreasonable.

It sounds like you really would benefit from a couple of motorway lessons to make you a more confident and safer driver on the motorway. And the outside lane is not there so you can just sit in the middle lane for longer than you need to when it's safe for you to move back into the inside lane.

In poor weather conditions it's more important than ever to drive sensibly and use lanes properly. You admit you don't always do that and worse, you still think it's okay to force someone even further out into the outside lane just so you don't have to move in when it's safe or slow down when you don't want to.

EmmaBemma · 16/08/2013 19:09

neepsandtatties - that debate happens a lot between my husband and me, when I'm driving. (he indicates to ask if he can move out, I indicate to show my intention to move out). When other drivers are indicating it can be hard to tell which they mean, I agree. In heavy traffic it's usually pretty obvious they're asking to move out (and in fact, sometimes I do that myself, otherwise you'd never be able to change lane, to come off the motorway for example when you're caught in the right hand/middle lane)

As for middle lane hogging, it doesn't bother me very much. I always go to the far left if it's safe to do so and I won't have to come out again straight away - but approaching junctions I'll stay in the middle to allow joining cars room to come on.

orangepudding · 16/08/2013 19:14

EmmaBemma - I recently had a motorway lesson. My instructor said that you usually indicate when it safe to move out to let others know what you are about to do but sometimes you may need to indicate before it's safe to move in the hope someone lets you manoeuvre.

EmmaBemma · 16/08/2013 19:22

That's good to know orangepudding - thanks!

Yawner247 · 16/08/2013 19:33

Yes very unreasonable!

Ilovemyself · 16/08/2013 19:35

Flowery. Indicating shows an intention to pull out but if you know the Highway Code you will also know that you do not perform a manoeuvre that will cause another motorist to have to brake suddenly or perform an evasive manoeuvre.

Therefore it is perfectly sensible to indicate your intention to change lane and when there is a suitable gap ( or another courteous driver lets you ) pull out.

And as for the comment about HGv's - having to constantly speed up and slow down - even by just a few mph is very costly in both fuel and time. Let the truckers that keep this country running go about their business without disruption.

ivykaty44 · 16/08/2013 20:03
breatheslowly · 16/08/2013 20:04

I was taught that you should indicate to show your intention to move lane, but that you should let the indicator do 6 flashes before you move to ensure that other drivers have had the opportunity to see your indicator. If you effectively indicate and move simultaneously then there is really no point in indicating as a whacking great car moving is more obvious than the little flashing light on it.

RobotHamster · 16/08/2013 20:08

Yep.indicating is for when you want to change lane and there is space to do so.

The only time I'd indicate when there wasn't space would be in a situation like heavy traffic when my lane is blocked and you have to 'ask' to move out.

RobotHamster · 16/08/2013 20:09

Yy, I was taught 5 flashes of indicators before you move. No point indicating AS you're changing lane :)