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To not feel any sympathy for drug-smuggling women?

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DarceyBissell · 12/08/2013 17:42

Just that really. Two young women facing 25 years in a Peruvian jail for trying to smuggle 11kg of cocaine. Saw they described as 'vulnerable' in one paper. Hardly. Greedy and stupid though.

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PeriodMath · 23/08/2013 18:43

I get the feeling it's the other way round. The Irish one (Lorraine Chase lookalike) looks much more savvy and hard. Have you seen the Facebook pictures of them? I think she was working as some sort of "hostess", lots of pics in which she resembles a stripper actually. The Scottish one looks petrified and, whilst her photos also clearly show her "enjoying herself", they are different. I would wager she was the one who was influenced by the other.

Irrelevant anyway, they both smuggled drugs, being naive or easily influenced is no excuse.

Maryz · 23/08/2013 18:51

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nkf · 23/08/2013 18:56

Maryz, I think that's a very believable precis. What's mindboggling is how they could believe such nonsense.

CarpeVinum · 23/08/2013 18:58

Maryz

Please to accpet (slightly contraversial) Cake in lieu of trophy for Best Post on Thread prize.

2old2beamum · 23/08/2013 19:05

I just wish drug traffickers could see the devastation drugs can cause and not only to the addicts.
Our beautiful son's mother (birth) took shed loads of cocaine when he was 8 months old. She was off this planet and did not realise DS was ill he was found by a family member virtually dead with pneumococcal meningitis.
His life is wrecked, he is deafblind CP,epilepsy tube fed and is totally dependent on others to just live.

So no I have no sympathy for these women. Sorry

ILetHimKeep20Quid · 23/08/2013 19:21

My friend got into a situation when we were 18. We were on a girl's holiday on a Greek island, horrid resort, nothing but pubs and clubs. The 3 main clubs were ran by one seriously dodgy looking geezer who was in his 40s with a constant stream of young girls on his arm. He made a beeline for our group towards the end of our fortnight, free drinks and offers of pr work, which is basically handing out leaflets. Something like 40 Euro a day, digs for free and a drink for every person you got into the club. We all had places at uni or jobs to get back to bar one girl who stayed, despite us protesting.

We never heard much from her and she came home, tail between her legs 3 weeks later. We sort of laughed about it not working out but not a lot else was said.

A few years later she opened up. He took her passport, she didn't get any cash payment and he tried to keep her sweet with coke. He then turned and told her she owed him big time,and started sending men up to her roo when she was sleeping. She was raped twice. No money, no passport, no contacts. And a misplaced pride in wanting not to appear stupid.

She eventually got in contact with her dad who flew over and got her home, but I get the impression it wasn't pretty.

So I can easily see and understand how a situation can spiral out of control.

Maryz · 23/08/2013 19:29

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domesticvoyager · 23/08/2013 20:26

I really hope that this case makes people more wary when they travel. As many have said, it is easy to get dragged into something, without ever making a conscious decision to do something so wrong. Prisons are full of people who didn't mean it to get that far. They are not full of clever, rich people, that's for sure.

Carpe Please desist. I got her age wrong, and said that immediately (I was actually confusing her with Cahill as I googled them together). I wasn't actually even drawing a comparison in terms of naivety etc.. Who can compare such different people and lives? My point was this: lives can fall apart and lives can be rebuilt. If there was any real chance they could serve 15-20 years then I would feel that was a damning blast that would indeed be hard to overcome. However, from my own understanding, they will probably be out in 3 years so, no, I don't think they have no chance of happiness in the future. Are you saying they haven't? Sorry, am a bit lost in frustration.

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superstarheartbreaker · 23/08/2013 20:44

I feel sorry for them. I hate drugs with a passion; acknowledge that they ruin lives of those who deal and take them and this is one prime example of that. I think they were coerced.

TBH; I think that most peope CHOOSE to try drugs as much as these girls CHOSE to smuggle them . Dosn't make it ok though.

superstarheartbreaker · 23/08/2013 20:48

I just came back from Ibiza; fabulous place but then I stayed in a family resort. I did go to San Antonio with dd but guess what; I did not seek drugs out and if anyone had offered them to me I'd have said no.

MrsDeVere · 23/08/2013 20:54

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ILetHimKeep20Quid · 23/08/2013 21:06

And the most useless comment of the night goes to... superstarheartbreaker. Congratulations.

MrsDeVere · 23/08/2013 21:11

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PeriodMath · 23/08/2013 23:33

ILetHim, that's a very unhelpful thing to post. Superstar is entitled to her opinion too. Are you suggesting taking up drugs is not generally a free choice? Not all teenagers are stupid. Not all take drugs. Not all are victims.

Please don't let's pretend everyone involved in the drugs world (taking, selling or smuggling) is a helpless victim of circumstance.

hashtagwhatever · 23/08/2013 23:41

whilst I don't agree with drugs. I do feel sorry for them either they where frightened into doing it, or stupidly did it for money thinking that they wouldn't get caught.

but the fact remains they are young girls who fucked up.
and I couldn't comprehend the turmoil their families are going through right now. imagine it was your own dc.

I would be beside myself. katie Price said today in the sun that surely nobody's that desperate for money. well actually yes katie dear, some times people are.

PeriodMath · 23/08/2013 23:53

Don't most criminals do things for money thinking they won't get caught?

internationallove985 · 24/08/2013 00:01

I don't know what to make of it t.b.h.. Where they threatened of was it out of greed. What ever the situation though it is very tragic. Their lives are practically finished before they've begun. I also feel sorry for their families. What chills me most is that they're not that much older than my D.D xx

masirah · 24/08/2013 03:42

2o2bam, exactly my point! These 2 scroates have no idea of the pain that they are inflicting through their selfish actions. I feel for you, and wish we had harsher sentences for the likes of these two.

Oxygen thiefs, the pair of them.

nkf · 24/08/2013 07:04

It's not either/or. Either they were naive or they were greedy. They could be naive and very excited by the thought of the money. They are probably minimum wage kids and they haven't learned that things that look really good and easy rarely are.

CarpeVinum · 24/08/2013 10:02

I don't think they have no chance of happiness in the future. Are you saying they haven't? Sorry, am a bit lost in frustration.

No.

I think you're presenting a overly "glass half full" view that is as unwarranted as a supposition that they will spend the rest of their lives in the gutter.

Their lives are over. In the sense that the lives they had, poof, gone. This cannot be undone. Whatever their new lives look like (be they good, bad or indifferent) ten, twenty years down the line, the chances of the journey and the the destination closely resembling what they and their families had hoped for, are slim.

There is good cause for a healthy degree pessimism that they will not have access to the work, education, social opportunities that would have been open to them. Particularly with the additional complication that their crime is one that attracts a particular degree of moral outrage.

Unlike the bulk of domestic detainees, there is a high chance they'll have a fairly longterm lack of anonymity, because of sustained press interest.

That doesn't mean they have no chance of happiness, even if their lives end up looking nothing like they expected. If they, via luck and judgement, can get past the odds stacked against them. But the stacked odds are there. They are considerable. They don't have every chance as you stated of turning things around. They have a restricted degree of chance. And it is a chance that they have only limited control over making the most of, because it is so highly dependant on the good will of others.

SG's "on paper" come back (because it doesn't really illustrate what her life in the fuller sense looks like) is always the one mentioned simply because there is a paucity of ready examples to point to.

And she had an advantage over these two. Where you have the label "drug smuggler" stuck to your name and face, barriers are created. It requires people to give second chances. And the more people are willing to do that, the more barriers can be lowered or have "wriggle room" bored into them.

Sandra was carrying under 100g, not kilos in double digits.

It's not an amount that people (who are prepared to bring a shades of grey mindset to the table) associate with the sort of commercial dealing that has the capacity to harm and destroy a great deal of lives in their society. Under a hundred grams leaves room to see her as "drug smuggler" more in legal terms than intent. Which increases the prospects of a pass and a second chance. I'm don't think there is any certainty that Oxford would have offered the place had the amount have been measured in double digit kilos rather than double digit grams.

And she held her hands up. She didn't generate the sort of backlash you see when people attribute the "barefaced liar" label to the drug smuggler sticker. Honesty in the face of massive adversity, repentance and remorse have an attractive quality. And tend to go down better with the key holders of second chances than what is increasingly perceived as excuses, tall stories and a reluctance to take personal responsibility.

It doesn't really matter if the 2 in Peru are telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Their explanation is so wildly out of whack with the drug smuggling trade's playbook that they are likely to generate far greater numbers of people seeing them as barefaced liars than even your more typical "I didn't know, I didn't do it, They made me" detainee.

If that explanation it the one proffered long term, including post release, I think it will be even more detrimental to their longer term prospects than it is likely to be to their lighter sentencing chances.

domesticvoyager · 24/08/2013 22:19

Carpe all I'm saying is, they have a chance to rebuild their lives. They hadn't done much with them up till now, maybe they'll read a book or two in there.

Annunziata · 24/08/2013 22:26

I feel so so sorry for them. My own DD went to Ibiza last year and two men broke into their room at night. The hotel said it couldn't possibly have happened because they had the only key cards and the system had no record, so they couldn't go to the police. Thank god those men only looked around, but I can so easily imagine how these two ended up in Peru.

I really doubt they got on the plane this summer aiming to smuggle drugs.