Aibu to think that sueing the church over gay marriage is not acceptable?

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Here:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383686/Millionaire-gay-fathers-sue-Church-England-allowing-married-church.html

I supported the right of gay couples to have same rights as heterosexual ones, but I feel this is going to far. Plus my religious friends (I'm agnostic) are now having a go at my naivety.

How on earth could you think that? Surely a child is better off with two loving parents who dearly want their child. Not sure at all how gender comes into it!

Colonial times and the post colonial era covers all of American history and should therefore be discounted? Not sure I follow your argument there.

Of course, all else being equal, having a mother and father is better than two same-sex parents; how on earth could anybody think otherwise?

Simple - because most of us think about people as individuals. There are some utterly crap mixed-sex parents; there are some excellent same-sex parents. How on earth could anybody think otherwise?

gettingverysleepy

My point is not that North American examples should be discounted, but that as far as I know they are very much the exception .

Come to think of it, even in South Africa there were plenty of Church-sanctioned mixed-race marriages during the nineteenth century. North America underwent a uniquely long period of segregation laws and that should be borne in mind.

deliberately and with forethought??

When did this topic veer onto murder?

Bullshit. A child is better off with someone who loves them, can care for them and will do whatever it takes to raise them well and provide support and guidance. Whether that is a man, a woman, a man and woman, two men, two women, or any ohther combination you can think of.

Exactly, toad, the policy of the church mirrored the segregation laws and the beliefs of the people living in that society at that time. Society changed and then so did the church. The same will happen again with gay marriage.

GettingVerySleepy, I've posted this clip before, but I do love it so.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/21/phil-snider-missouri-pastor-anti-gay-rights-speech-surprise_n_1997036.html

Toadinthehole Thank you. I didn't realise the CofE had opted out entirely - I presume the same rules apply for the Catholic church?

I suppose it's a possibility, that if these two are practicing Christians it may be that they are fully supported by their local vicar if they disagree and would like to be able to opt-in.

No, no, I think I can say with reasonable confidence that my views are a great deal more Christian than yours. Yours are rather more Old Testament.

although I am a virtual atheist, I'd say that my views were more Christian than yours, lol.

Well my poor little deprived son's baptism was performed by the bishop, so I don't think so.

"Of course, all else being equal, having a mother and father is better than two same-sex parents; how on earth could anybody think otherwise?"

What? Why is it better? Of course people think otherwise.

Old Testament to say that a child needs two opposite sex parents?! OMG, lol.

a 'virtual' aetheist?

You're reading like a 'virtual' fundamentalist with some very backward views, OP.

My father was an abusive pig of a man who shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near children yet got to father five of us. I'd much rather have had 2 mothers than the father we did have. It isn't necessarily better. Heterosexuality is not some magic parenting wand - most of the terrible child abuse cases in the news (if not all) are at the hands of male/female couples.

Don't preach about what Christianity is when you claim not to have the first clue about it.

Eyes, that was fantastic, hadn't seen it before, thank you. I would give that man a standing ovation!

Unless they are regular churchgoers who contribute and are active members of the congregation ( they are not ) then they are ''entitled'' to want to use a church for whatever reason. Church is not just a pretty backdrop to the people who actually use it as a place of worship. I am a atheist I might add but feel we are stepping on some people rights in their 'private' lives for the sake of other peoples more trendy rights.
I would very happily totally separate state from church - as an atheist it annoys the hell out of me.

As for your 'who will a girl turn to when she starts her periods if she has 2 dads?' bullshit - my mother was possibly more hung up about bodily functions than my father was, I found my information out from the girls in school.

Just admit you don't like same sex couples and are posting on here with an agenda, ffs....

Bishops in the house of Lords really naffs me off.

MidniteScribbler your son is a person in his own right; he was baptised by the bishop for his sake not yours. Not that I agree with any of that stuff, but there you go.

I didn't realise the CofE had opted out entirely

It didn't - the government excluded them entirely. Only way of getting the legislation passed on a non-geological timescale. Thus clearing the way for other churches who want to be able to perform same-sex marriages to be free to do so.

I do not believe in god or subscribe to any religion.

GettingVerySleepy

I hope you are right.

However, my point was as far as I'm aware, the church generally did not have any objection to mixed-race marriages except in very particular times. I'm certain the Anglicans, the Catholics and the Orthodox, historically the biggest groups, had simply nothing to say on the matter. This is despite multi-ethnic states and cities existing throughout history.

Whatever theological justifications were put up in north America wouldn't have much historical validity.

"The truth is that a child needs to be exposed to a mother and father-who will a girl turn to when her period starts? Will two dads be able to empathise in the same way. Course not.

Will a young lad experincing wet dreams for the first time have same understanding from his mother? Course not."

Hahahaha - seriously? You think that's a big problem, I'd better go tell DS that he shouldn't be picking me over his dad to ask about things like that then.