to want to ask those who intend to vote UKIP a few questions about their policies?

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

Let me ask you this. Has anybody here actually looked at UKIP policies? If so, perhaps you can answer some questions for me.
1: UKIP say they want an amicable divorce from the EU. How smoothly do they believe that can happen?

1. UKIP want a 5 year hold on immigration. To do so, they think that it is essential to leave the EU as the EU allows citizens of member states to move freely. Ok, what happens to the 2.2 million Brits living in other EU nations? Do we force them to return? It has to work both ways. 3: A flat tax rate can never work. I imagine this is why the party cannot decide whether or not they should have 1 rate or 2. Their 2010 proposal was a rate of 31% for everybody. That is evidently a major tax break for the rich whilst the poor pay more. Is this something you support?
   

4: A return to the grammar school education model would see communities being ripped in half and children unfairly separated. Who here thinks that is a good idea?
5: UKIP want to increase defence spending to facilitate the building of extra warships and nuclear weapons. When a member or supporter asks why soldiers aren't paid more, be sure to also ask why they'd squander money on these projects?
6: UKIP oppose the HS2 because of the damage it would do to the countryside. However, they also support fracking which would cause even greater damage. How can there be such contradiction? They also oppose manmade climate change. On what evidence do they take this stance?
7: UKIP plan to double prison spaces. How do they propose to fund the building of new prisons and of keeping twice as many inmates? Who will take up these extra spaces? What crimes will become punishable by incarceration? Who will suffer from cuts made elsewhere to fund this?
8: UKIP is proposing "tens of billions" of tax cuts and had set out £77bn of cuts to public expenditure to deal with the deficit. Where will these cuts be made? After increased military and prison spending, the cuts in public spending will have to be a lot higher to compensate.
9: They wish to repeal the hunting ban. This appeals to a minority of people whereas the majority of the country supports the hunting ban. Can you guess which section of society would benefit from the repeal?

It seems to me that most of these policies were plucked from thin air to try and hide the fact that they are a one policy party. Perhaps, by answering these questions, you can change my mind?

[ageofgrandillusion]

silveroldie agree with every line of your post. Much of what UKIP say makes sense. What they stand for and how they are portrayed in the media are two different things entirely.

[fedupofnamechanging]

I think all party manifestos should be deemed legally binding. Going back on a major pledge should be seen a breach of contract and a new election called. This would make all parties a lot more careful about what they promise pre election and would result in some much needed honesty from our politicians.

I think the appeal of UKIP (and other independent parties) is that they are untried, so people don't know for a fact that they are lying and corrupt in the way that we know this to be true of the main political parties.

[ageofgrandillusion]

Be hard to make them binding karma. There may be legitimate reasons why some legislation cant get pushed through - not enough time, inability to get support etc.

[BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability]

That's a very good idea karma , I like it!

And yy maternitart . I've reported that post too, it's not on.

[fedupofnamechanging]

True, but there are plenty of things that politicians promise in the full knowledge that they can dodge them later - Dave's promise to have a referendum on EU membership springs to mind, along with the Lib Dems u turn on tuition fees.

[flatpackhamster]

maternitart

Well hamster there are some of your UKIP mners on this very thread. YABVU to potentially "out" an MNer by linking to someone's FB account by the way.

Cobblers. If you don't want to make a public wossname of yourself, don't go public. And the internet is public.

Voting UKIP because you're pissed off with Lab/Lib/Con follows the same logic as supporting murderers because you're pissed off with thieves.

What an extraordinary redefinition of 'logic'.

[Flobbadobs]

I think maternitart has just proved my point on the public perception of UKIP...
The protest vote has always been around and can be very important in elections as a way of sending a message to those in charge. How do you think UKIP started to become popular in the first place?
Holding parties to their manifesto promises would make for a very entertaining election

[claig]

Where is the OP? Has she torn up her Labour party card? Has she gone and signed up to UKIP?

[claig]

Has she joined the people and abandoned the progressives?

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

OP is a he. Sorry, I was shopping and then cooking lunch. I'm just catching up with the thread and wondering if I bought enough food to make it through your revolution.

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

Flatpackhamster - I have nothing to hide by you 'outing me'. As you said the internet is public. Out of curiosity, when will you be revealing your facebook profile?

[claig]

OP, the truth is sometimes hard to swallow, as New Labour found out on election night! Let the people speak and the progressives squeak!

[OliviaIsOffTheGinMumsnet]

@PdHeatonsingingfafafa

I am that facebook poster btw.

Let us know if you'd like us to withdraw the link above OP
Thanks

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

You probably should. I have nothing to hide but my DW is on here too and is therefore traceable.

[Caster8]

You lost me op a bit at, "I believe that any child can be suitable to do A level and go to university gievn the encouragement to study the correct subject", or something like that.

Also, this thread doesnt quite sit right. You didnt say first off that you lifted the op from Facebook.
Are you a journalist, and what do you currently vote, as I suspect you have no intention whatsoever of voting UKIP.

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

I wouldnt know if the truth is hard to swallow. You haven't presented me with any yet. You have a lot of ideas of how UKIP will do things but where are the facts and figures? You say, for example, 'manmade climate change fraud'. On what scientific research have you formed this fact?

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

I didn't lift it from Facebook. I wrote it on Facebook then copied it here too. I'm not a journalist but I'm getting very interested in politics and wondered why people vote for, what are seemingly, one policy parties.

[Caster8]

They vote for others becuase they are fed up of the currents ones - all of them, as far as I know.


But like you say, one policy parties rarely if at all, last long.

Cant say I have heard about the americal Tea Party lately for instnace. Is it still going? And I cant remember what it is all about now.

Greens. They are essentially one policiy too, and havent broken through.

Will UKIP? Dont know .Somewhat doubt it.

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

Actually, the Green party have a lot of good policies, such as scrapping tuition fees, providing free school meals and renationalising energy and rail services.

[claig]

'On what scientific research have you formed this fact?'

'Manmade climate change' is political, it is an agenda of the plutocrtaic elite, which is why every puppet politician across the planet supports it. 'Limits to Growth' the 1970s MIT report was commissioned by the Club of Rome at a villa, which I think was owned by Rockefeller.

Climategate revealed that data was doctored.

Manmade climate change is a fraud by the elite to 'limit the growth' of ordinary people and to set the population back, under crippling energy and fuel charges, and to ration water, energy and resources of ordinary people to conform with the elite's plan to stop the progress, growth and development of ordinary people.

'The Green Party of England and Wales has its roots in the PEOPLE party started in Coventry in 1972/3 by four professional friends (Michael Benfield, Freda Sanders, Tony & Lesley Whittaker).'

'The PEOPLE Party was a political party in the United Kingdom. It was the first political party in the UK to have environmental policies as well as policies on economics etc. The PEOPLE party was the first step for green politics in Britain and what say Greens call the grassroots of the Green Party of England and Wales.'

'In the summer of 1972 Lesley Whittaker a surveyor and property agent brought a copy of Playboy Magazine in which there was an interview with Paul R. Ehrlich about overpopulation and how him and his wife were giving up two years of their lives to the course. This article inspired Whittaker and her husband Tony (an ex Kenilworth UK Conservative Party Councillor) to form a small group of professional & business people 'Club of Thirteen', so named because it first met on 13 October 1972 in Daventy UK. This included surveyors and property agents Freda Sanders and Michael Benfield who had the same ideas of the Whittaker's and worked with the in their practice in Coventry.'

Many in this 'Club' were wary of forming a political party so, after a few weeks, in November 1972 the Whittaker's, Sanders and Benfield agreed to form 'PEOPLE' as a new political party to challenge the UK political establishment. Its policy concerns published in 1973 included economics, employment, defense, energy (fuel) supplies, land tenure, pollution and social security, as then seen within an ecological perspective. Subsequently recognized as perhaps the world's earliest Green party this had the first edition of the Manifesto for a Sustainable Society as a background statement of policies inspired by Blueprint for Survival (published by The Ecologist magazine). The editor of The Ecologist, Edward 'Teddy' Goldsmith, merged his Italian 'Movement for Survival' with PEOPLE. Goldsmith became one of the leading members of the new party during the 1970s.'

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEOPLE_party_(1973-75)

[claig]

'"Zero growth" (or "steady state") economics were a strong feature in the party's philosophical basis.'

That's what it is about - zero growth and even negative growth for ordinary people while fat cats grow fatter and richer by the day.

No wonder the media are against UKIP who oppose the fraud and the puppets of the plutocrats.

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

That isn't scientific proof.

[claig]

'That isn't scientific proof.'

It's not scientific.
Did you read about Climategate?

[Twirlyhot]

If you could keep any UKIP voters on one thread it would be much appreciated.

PS you might want to check out their policy on maternity pay/leave

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

Yes I did. I also read that only specific extracts were quoted, usually out of context and that 8 different commitees cleared those involved of any wrongdoing.