To expect to payment for summer holidays after working in a school?

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Just left a job in a private school. Will be starting a new one in September. If I worked in a state school I would receive payment over the summer holidays (please correct me anyone if I am wrong). My employer however stopped paying me the day I left, despite my contract stating an annual salary and not an hourly or daily rate.

I am lucky in that my DH earns enough for us to scrape by until September. However there are others where I worked who feel trapped as they would be forced to find alternative temporary employment for the summer if they were to move on.

AIBU to think this is wrong?

if you gave less notice than required by your contract then i would be thankful they haven't decided to sue you, or insist on holding you to your contract which would mean working until Christmas possibly.

It isnt a full time job, it is pro rata. No one gets 12 weeks fully paid leave. I never ceased to be amazed at the number of school support workers who are so lacking in understanding about their own finances and contracts.

You may work full time hours during term time (1440 hours per annum) but that equates/averages to 27 hours per week per annum.

When I left the state school I worked in I was advised to give 31st August as my leaving date otherwise any outstanding holiday pay could've been affected.

Loshad, it was actually slightly complicated. What happened was I had requested to go part-time in September. They had agreed to this in writing. Then they let me down, telling me that wasn't going to be possible after all. I said in that case I would try to find something else and did so.

My DH has moved several times in the private sector and has always been paid. Could it be due to the fact that you haven't given full notice? Can't imagine that would go down well in a private school?

I was told when I first qualified that if I was to leave a school at the end of the academic year, then my notice should always state 31st August; therefore you are still employed over the summer holidays. It sounds like the notice in the informal discussion was noted as the end of July...might be a bit of a tough one to prove otherwise with nothing being in writing

I think you need to check with a union - I've always been paid til end of August for every teaching job - all state schools though apart from one, and I can't remember what happened when I left there (about 20 years ago!)

Meant, even if you are working Mon-Fri in that school it is still part time as it is 39/40 weeks a year. Always is. I take it you were support staff and not on teaching main pay scale? Although I know you said it is private.

When I fist started in my current school I was on a temporary contract for the first few months (I now realise so that they didn't have to pay me over the summer!!) Were you on temp or perm? When did your contract start?

I think private schools can basically do what they like.
Which is shaft you.

Union?

It may not be part time as it's a private school and could have extended days/boarding etc. I am expected to work anywhere between 50 and 70 hours a week. If you take it as an average of 60 then it's about 46 hours a week averaged out over 12 months which is about the same as full time isn't it?

So TinyDiamond, you are saying that all teachers actually work part-time because they get longer holidays than average and that there's no such thing as a full-time teacher?

But no, you're right, I'm not a teacher myself. Permanent contract though, starting last September. Having read through it again however, I think I have a very strong case which is worth pursuing. It very clearly says £X annual salary for 40 weeks worked.

Yes, Meant. You've worked your 40 weeks so should get the full salary. But should and will are 2 different things. I think you have a strong case, though.

no meant I'm not. Teaching staff may be full time in a standard week but are only in work 39/40 weeks per year. However teaching and support staff pay scales work completely differently so it isn't really helpful to compare in your case if you are support staff (?)

Is there a finance manager you can talk to?

You have left your job so you will not be paid, just like any other job. If you had given your leave date as 31st August then you would still be employed and still be being paid.

You should be able to sign on and get JSA.

OP, before you go in guns blazing just look at all your payslips for the year, add them up and see if it totals your annual salary.

If you are not in a union, try ACAS.
They give excellent advice.

Agree with Leo. Check your pay before deductions since last September. Work out your total and that should tell you if you have been paid your annual salary (inc July salary). If not, then contact the school's bursar. But be prepared to get shafted as you did not hand in a written resignation stating your intention to resign from 31st August.

yabu, sorry. When I arranged such contracts everyone go their holiday pro-rata as they went so that they would always be up to date whenever they gave notice. So giving in notice for finish end of July there is no pay check in August as no longer employed. Someone else said similar. I suspect your mistake was not giving in notice at end of July.

Do check your payslips, and it's also worth checking whether your contract runs from 1st September-31st August or 1st Aug to 31st July. If it's from the 1st September and they haven't paid a lump sum in your final salary they may well owe you the money. I'd be prepared to have to fight to get it back though.

You'll find that you get a salary based on 40 weeks and that you wouldn't get paid over the summer in a state school if you left at the end of term either. Many teachers and staff on temp contracts get paid August to June here. So July is a no pay month.

I think they owe you another payment.

It is impossible to tell from this. As a pp said you need to do the maths, look at your last payslip and see if that equates to annual salary. Most employees in any organization get their accrued holiday pay when they leave. This isn't aibu, you just need to be sure of the facts.

"I've received a letter saying I shall receive my P60 at the end of July."

that is a summary of your earnings to the end of the last tax year. they are sent out to all employees in July usually

your P45 which is for the end of your employment is something different.

you may have misunderstood I think

Check again.
I am paid in arrears. The hours I did in June I have just been paid for. So I would expect a payment in August because I worked in July.

Teachers in state schools are normally paid until 31st August to maintain continuity of service. Are you a teacher or support staff? If you have been paid 12 equal payments this will include an element of pay for your statutory leave entitlement so if they are not paying you for August the they are probably not paying you right. You need to question this with them to clarify. Also did they agree to release you early despite not giving sufficient notice? Are they penalising you for this for breach of contract? As another point, if they agreed to let you work part time and they unilaterally withdrew this without your agreement then they were in breach of contract! Maybe you could use this as a bargaining point.