To have confronted this poor excuse for a mother?

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So I'm sat at work, window open. I hear a commotion outside so get up and look out the window. There is a heavily pregnant woman with two small children - a boy of around 3 and a girl of maybe 4.

She is screaming at the boy .. ' you fucking piece of shit, what the fuck are you doing? ' and ' Come on you little prick ' etc etc.

I shout down ' Don't do that! Don't say that! ' in complete shock. ' Who the fuck are you? Fuck off ' she shouts back.

I then deliberated on what to do. I felt really angry so ran down the stairs onto the street but she had gone into the bank. And then I ground to a halt and couldn't work out what to do.

So did nothing more. I mean, what CAN you do? Only a bit of swearing after all eh? I have no idea what I would have done if I'd managed to confront her anyway.

I detest this, really hate it. If you swear at your children like this, in the street, then you are a shit parent.

Aren't you?

How mean of me to not be more supportive of parents screaming this stuff at three year olds.

What CAN be wrong with me?

Um. Wile you're all discussing whether swearing constitutes abuse.... There is a poster on this thread who is witnessing actual physical abuse. And has not called SS because she is, er, pregnant.

yellow please please, call SS, it's anonymous, there is no comeback on you. Please.

While

I said immediately that yellow should call SS anonymously to report her neighbour and that I couldn't stand to listen to what she has. Being as err 'sensitive' as I appear to be about this stuff, I'd have been on the phone within moments of the first incident

Nearly every woman on this thread has attested that, to them, this woman is a shit parent. And guess what? None of us feel a scintilla of shame for saying that. I'd like to ask anyone who refuses to judge this woman what they would have said to her had she spewed her vicious bile to her kids right next to you in your supermarket queue. She's right in front of you screaming, 'you fucking piece of shit...come on you little prick'. What do you say? What do you think of her as a mother?

For the love of fucking god. No one said "oh I bet she is really nice at home" did they?

Because I think if you actually read the responses instead of bleating on about abuse apologist you may notice that what was actually said was "you cannot possibly know she is a totally shit parent" in response you you declaring with absolute certainty that you knew this.

You know there are actual abuse apologists in the world?
People who let their partners, their families, their neighbours, emotionally, physically, mentally abuse their children, who sit back and say nothing?

My sister in law is one of those. Which is why my nephew now lives in my house.

People who knew abuse is going on, who see and hear it on a daily, hourly basis but "don't want to get involved"

They are the people you are thinking of, love.

Not people with enough common sense to know that you can't actually see her life, other than that 10 seconds.
Maybe that's street smart eh? Maybe you need to be a bit "rough" to understand that?

And please, please share your definition of rough with me.

spot what are you blithering on about? If deliberately say racist things you are a racist. If you swear at your children you swear at your children.

I would change this slightly tbh, I would say if you swear at your children in the way described in the OP, then you are a verbal abuser.

And to be on the receiving end of racial abuse from ignorant tossers on an ongoing basis is a serious thing, beyond anything you are tring to compare it to.

Yes, tell that to the 3 year old boy who got called a 'fucking piece of shit' and a 'prick' by his own mother today.

It's not Top Trumps, Mrs DeVere. You may not think the OP's views are valid/relevant, fair enough. But to suggest they're not relevant because she hasn't "taken any teenagers in and helped them get LAC status so they can get away from their abusive homes" is preposterous.

How many people actually have? And yes, I know you have, hence you mentioning it.

But she was rough, people. Of course OP knows exactly what her life and parenting is like. She's rough.

*rein

The police turned up on my door because they had seen myself and dp drag a screaming child into my house against her will.

What they had actually happened was my sn dd threw a major wobbly and tried to run off where she would have in all probability hurt her self.

Of course we know what happens in these children's lives: whenever this woman is having a bad day she shrieks at her kids calling them pricks and little shits. I have no problem deciding that this woman is a shit parent and nor would any other sensible person.

Thanks for the support pramela etc.

I'm amazed at the level of support for this. Astounded. I'm also not surprised that calling her 'rough' has been jumped on. Any woman who calls a little boy a fucking piece of shit is rough. But do carry on defending that

I seem to remember some of you on a previous thread defending swearing at children. I seriously don't care if that's how you choose to bring up ( drag up? ) your children. But don't make me witness this shit in the street. It was bloody awful, I keep thinking of his face and there was next to nothing I could actually, tangibly DO.

If you're posting in support of her ' having a bad five minutes ' then shame on you

Who's preventing you from responding? And where does the OP suggest she cares more about abused children than you? She's defending herself, that's all.

Do you take your child to weekly therapy for years to help him deal with what happened to him? Have you taken any teenagers in and helped them get LAC status so they can get away from their abusive homes? Do you work with vulnerable children on a daily basis to help protect and support them? Have you called and called and called SS until they stop ignoring a family despite knowing that you might be identified and all that goes with that?

I honestly do not see the relevance of that ^. You know the answer to all those questions is 'no', so what's the point?

Oh I don't mind being disagreed with. I've been posting on MN for 7 odd years - and you'd jump on me even more under my usual guise

So, it's not 'ire at being disagreed with. ' it's frustration that some of you will choose to nit pick a tiny throw away comment I make about her being rough, or focus on the fact I said I just KNEW she was a shit parent

Honestly , don't defend these scum bag parents. I defy anyone on this thread to have heard the tone she used and the words she said and then come here and say ' poor woman. It's the heat/ her hormones '

So what if she wasn't the child's mother?? She obviously has access to the children, and she spoke to them in a disgusting, abusive way.
Stop splitting hairs, ffs.

I said heat, hormones and rough, and am still not defending her.

HTH.